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The fact of the matter is that you will rarely find anyone who wants a pilot slot in the service willing to accept something else. They may "talk the talk" (ie. "serve my country") but most are lying. IMHO, those who want it bad enough are the ones who are going to excel in pilot training, barring any "hand eye coordination limitations". The military already has its share of mediocre pilots who are just looking to move up the ladder. It's better to have a motivated good stick who's going to serve his/her minimum time than have a mediocre ham fist who is on "military welfare" for 20+ years, all the while acting like they're bleeding red, white, and blue.
Ironically, your freedom to say something moronic like this was earned by the veteran.
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Really?
Yeah, we should all grovel at the feet of the pilots that game the military for their own benefit bc EVERY SINGLE MIL PILOT IS A HERO ON MEMORIAL DAY
Gmafb- I'd rather honor my grandfathers and uncle
For those of you who did actually serve- well done and thank you.
Just like the helo pilot who served impressively but isn't qualified, None of you should be considered qualified for a major airline without some civilian 121 ops time
https://flygreatlakescareers.silkroad.com/greatext/Home/Pilot_Information.html
http://www.midwestairlines.com/en/Employment/Recruitment_Events/Pilot.aspx
http://www.endeavorair.com/pilots.html
http://www.compassairline.com/html/careers_pilot.htm
https://re2o.ultipro.com/sky1000/jobboard/JobDetails.aspx?__ID=*1E121F15EEF8526B
MHO
You seemed to have missed the point. You must to be a "one issue" individual. Let's pull your head out your rectum and think about what I'm saying.
Each service member is accountable to our citizens, the tax payers. Therefore, everyone in the service is required to be a contributer to the mission. One may have the biggest heart and motivation to become a contributer to the mission but without the proper skill set/ability, the mission cannot be accomplished. The military is a mission oriented organization-big surprise there! So, if one is truly a patriot and realize that he/she has no true value to the mission then perhaps they need to stop sucking on high tit and separate from the service. These individuals are whom I'm referring to as the "20+ year military welfare recipients".
From my experience, the loud one's who love to stand on the soap box and preach to the crowd are usually the biggest WDs. I say, let your skills and actions do the talking.
And to Waveflyer... you probably should sit this one out, buddy. You have no idea about what our servicemen/servicewomen do since you have zero hands on experience. I don't mean that out of disrespect.
waveflyer
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Haha
Probably not bubba
Box- what I know is military guys performance in civilian ops-
You remember, the OP here-
They don't suck as pilots, they just don't know the civilian world.
No disrespect, but one should have experience before attaining the most valuable and responsible positions in the sector.
Or do you think I ought to be able to sign up in the Air Force, go through A10 school, start flying close air support sorties?
Why can mil guys come right in, often with little to no transport category experience, and immediately go into 121 ops- but I'd have to start at square 1 to have a mil career. Actually we'd be denied by age long ago no matter how capable we are of flying a kc135.
Fair is fair- sounds like a good deal to put in a few years at a regional.
1000hrs 121 time should be as standard a requirement for major airlines as 1000 TPIC
If this offends you, you got a serious arrogance problem.
I just flew - last night - with a new upgrade - turned the wrong way twice taxiing and told me that "taxiing was the hardest part of the job", and was overwhelmed by basic MELs.
Capable, and will get better, but for $250k/year- maybe you should have done this type of op before.
Probably not bubba
Box- what I know is military guys performance in civilian ops-
You remember, the OP here-
They don't suck as pilots, they just don't know the civilian world.
No disrespect, but one should have experience before attaining the most valuable and responsible positions in the sector.
Or do you think I ought to be able to sign up in the Air Force, go through A10 school, start flying close air support sorties?
Why can mil guys come right in, often with little to no transport category experience, and immediately go into 121 ops- but I'd have to start at square 1 to have a mil career. Actually we'd be denied by age long ago no matter how capable we are of flying a kc135.
Fair is fair- sounds like a good deal to put in a few years at a regional.
1000hrs 121 time should be as standard a requirement for major airlines as 1000 TPIC
If this offends you, you got a serious arrogance problem.
I just flew - last night - with a new upgrade - turned the wrong way twice taxiing and told me that "taxiing was the hardest part of the job", and was overwhelmed by basic MELs.
Capable, and will get better, but for $250k/year- maybe you should have done this type of op before.
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A lot of my dad can beat up your dad here. You know this same thing goes on inside the service, you have seen it here USAF is the best, BS says the Navy guy, inside the USAF Fighters rule, BS says the bomber guys, inside an Air Wing the 918th is the best, BS say 783rd, inside VP-45 Crew 11 says they are the best, BS says crew 9. We see it here SWA says they are the best, VA says BS we are the best. Trouble is I think some on these posters take this seriously?
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This memorial day weekend, lets think of fallen vets at least a little bit.
It is not all about us
What is Memorial Day?
“Is Memorial Day a hardware sale? is it a good price on a garden pail?, is it the opening of the swimming pool?”
Every spring we celebrate this holiday called “Memorial Day” which traditionally marks the beginning of summer. The becoming of the summer is a celebration of our freedom.
This three-day weekend we are free to do anything we want.
We are free to come and go as we please, to play golf, to ride in our cars, go the beach, to go visit family and have picnics, to go up North to our cabin.
Our Freedom is fantastic, we claim our freedom; we take our freedom as a natural extension of our incomparable lives in the United States of American. These are Freedoms we exercise everyday. We love our freedom.
Many Americans nowadays have forgotten the meaning and traditions of Memorial Day. Traditional observance of Memorial Day has diminished over the years.
This day, Memorial Day, is about honoring those Americans who died while defending our Nation and its freedom. It is only fitting that we meet here on the day of National Remembrance.
It is time to pause and consider the true meaning of this holiday and our freedom.
So let us take a moment out of the celebrations to reflect on the true meaning of Memorial Day, and the sacrifices that our veterans made for each and every one of us. This day - Today, Memorial Day, we honor those who fell from the line, who left us forever never knowing, never knowing how much they did for us.
Our freedom was granted to us by the founders of our nation in the Constitution of the United States. The constitution guarantees our freedom, but what makes the Constitution a document capable of protecting these freedoms?
The veterans, every one of the Veterans who died defending our freedom took a solemn oath. They raised their right hands and said, “I solemnly swear to uphold and defend, the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, so help me god”. To uphold this oath, they protect us with guns, they protect us with tanks, they protect us with low flying airplanes, but most of all they protect us with their lives.
These veterans fought for our freedom, and for the freedom of their fellow human beings.
We are here to honor those fallen Veterans. Just as happiness isn’t free, the freedom to live life to its fullest costs as well. That freedom comes with a price. That’s what the members of our armed forces do for us; they pay the price, they pick up the check so that the rest of us may enjoy the land in which we live. American men and women have stood ready to take the risks and pay the ultimate price.
Many feel the violence and tragedy of war is too high a price to pay. That is their freedom. However, in the words of John Stuart Mills “For those who deplore violence, they can rest peacefully in their beds at night because of the efforts of those who engage in violence on their behalf.” These fallen veterans engaged in violence on our behalf. To ensure our way of life for everyone of us.
We are here to honor those veteran heroes for the profound contribution they have made to secure our Nation's freedom. We can never measure the value of what was gained by the veteran’s sacrifice. However we live every day in comforts of peace and gifts of freedom. These have all been purchased for us, and we must be grateful for their sacrifice.
It perhaps captures the essence of Memorial Day, when an immigrant to the United Sates writes in a childhood remembrance,
“And during summer vacation, Dad would make a detour and have us visit American Cemeteries. I must confess that initially I found them boring. With all those identical white crosses, row after row!
After all, “So what”, I thought. “The war is over, and this only serves to rehash the ugly past and to delay us in reaching our holiday destination”.
Until one day, in one of those cemeteries – this one in Luxembourg, I recall – my father impressed on all of us children that below every cross lay a young man who had left his beloved family in America - to fight on foreign soil - and deliver from a wicked enemy - my Belgium family - who could not defend itself.
My dad said, “You can’t go by on the road - and not come in to say thank you”; and he then fell in a deep silence. She finished with "With out the sacrifice of those American boys - my family would most likely still be Belgium under Nazism or Communism. Gratitude - Gratitude! This is what my dad was teaching me”
And that is what we have to display as a nation - Gratitude,
Gratitude for these heroes who showed the last full measure of devotion to us and our nation.
The hero’s we remember never really set out to be heroes. Each loved his life as much as we love ours. Each had a place in the world, a family waiting and friends to see again. They thought of the future just as we do, with plans for a long life. But they left it all behind when they went to war, and parted with it forever when they died. Each one of these veterans was an American doing his duty. Each was someone’s, brother, someone’s father, and someone’s child. Remember them; remember them ladies and gentleman - remember them all. Especially remember the pain and suffering of their families.
Every Memorial Day we gather at places like this to grasp the extent of their loss, the meaning of their sacrifice and to express our gratitude.
It always seems more than words can cover. In the end, all we can do is be thankful, all we can do is remember, and always appreciate the price that was paid for our own lives and our own freedom.
It is because of their sacrifices over the generations that this great nation remains free.
Free to celebrate Memorial Day as a three day weekend marking the beginning of summer.
It is not all about us
What is Memorial Day?
“Is Memorial Day a hardware sale? is it a good price on a garden pail?, is it the opening of the swimming pool?”
Every spring we celebrate this holiday called “Memorial Day” which traditionally marks the beginning of summer. The becoming of the summer is a celebration of our freedom.
This three-day weekend we are free to do anything we want.
We are free to come and go as we please, to play golf, to ride in our cars, go the beach, to go visit family and have picnics, to go up North to our cabin.
Our Freedom is fantastic, we claim our freedom; we take our freedom as a natural extension of our incomparable lives in the United States of American. These are Freedoms we exercise everyday. We love our freedom.
Many Americans nowadays have forgotten the meaning and traditions of Memorial Day. Traditional observance of Memorial Day has diminished over the years.
This day, Memorial Day, is about honoring those Americans who died while defending our Nation and its freedom. It is only fitting that we meet here on the day of National Remembrance.
It is time to pause and consider the true meaning of this holiday and our freedom.
So let us take a moment out of the celebrations to reflect on the true meaning of Memorial Day, and the sacrifices that our veterans made for each and every one of us. This day - Today, Memorial Day, we honor those who fell from the line, who left us forever never knowing, never knowing how much they did for us.
Our freedom was granted to us by the founders of our nation in the Constitution of the United States. The constitution guarantees our freedom, but what makes the Constitution a document capable of protecting these freedoms?
The veterans, every one of the Veterans who died defending our freedom took a solemn oath. They raised their right hands and said, “I solemnly swear to uphold and defend, the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, so help me god”. To uphold this oath, they protect us with guns, they protect us with tanks, they protect us with low flying airplanes, but most of all they protect us with their lives.
These veterans fought for our freedom, and for the freedom of their fellow human beings.
We are here to honor those fallen Veterans. Just as happiness isn’t free, the freedom to live life to its fullest costs as well. That freedom comes with a price. That’s what the members of our armed forces do for us; they pay the price, they pick up the check so that the rest of us may enjoy the land in which we live. American men and women have stood ready to take the risks and pay the ultimate price.
Many feel the violence and tragedy of war is too high a price to pay. That is their freedom. However, in the words of John Stuart Mills “For those who deplore violence, they can rest peacefully in their beds at night because of the efforts of those who engage in violence on their behalf.” These fallen veterans engaged in violence on our behalf. To ensure our way of life for everyone of us.
We are here to honor those veteran heroes for the profound contribution they have made to secure our Nation's freedom. We can never measure the value of what was gained by the veteran’s sacrifice. However we live every day in comforts of peace and gifts of freedom. These have all been purchased for us, and we must be grateful for their sacrifice.
It perhaps captures the essence of Memorial Day, when an immigrant to the United Sates writes in a childhood remembrance,
“And during summer vacation, Dad would make a detour and have us visit American Cemeteries. I must confess that initially I found them boring. With all those identical white crosses, row after row!
After all, “So what”, I thought. “The war is over, and this only serves to rehash the ugly past and to delay us in reaching our holiday destination”.
Until one day, in one of those cemeteries – this one in Luxembourg, I recall – my father impressed on all of us children that below every cross lay a young man who had left his beloved family in America - to fight on foreign soil - and deliver from a wicked enemy - my Belgium family - who could not defend itself.
My dad said, “You can’t go by on the road - and not come in to say thank you”; and he then fell in a deep silence. She finished with "With out the sacrifice of those American boys - my family would most likely still be Belgium under Nazism or Communism. Gratitude - Gratitude! This is what my dad was teaching me”
And that is what we have to display as a nation - Gratitude,
Gratitude for these heroes who showed the last full measure of devotion to us and our nation.
The hero’s we remember never really set out to be heroes. Each loved his life as much as we love ours. Each had a place in the world, a family waiting and friends to see again. They thought of the future just as we do, with plans for a long life. But they left it all behind when they went to war, and parted with it forever when they died. Each one of these veterans was an American doing his duty. Each was someone’s, brother, someone’s father, and someone’s child. Remember them; remember them ladies and gentleman - remember them all. Especially remember the pain and suffering of their families.
Every Memorial Day we gather at places like this to grasp the extent of their loss, the meaning of their sacrifice and to express our gratitude.
It always seems more than words can cover. In the end, all we can do is be thankful, all we can do is remember, and always appreciate the price that was paid for our own lives and our own freedom.
It is because of their sacrifices over the generations that this great nation remains free.
Free to celebrate Memorial Day as a three day weekend marking the beginning of summer.
Dizel8
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With you on that sentiment!
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