Why General Custer(Lee) loves the merger

[nwaredtail]

Had Delta stood alone? That isn't my call. I will move up 2% under Dalpa's proposal in the short term, and backwards 14% immediately with NALPA's. We both had a lot of retirements coming eventually. You have a bunch sooner than we do, but we have more in the end. So, overall our proposal is more fair for everyone. Also, Do you know who has the most DC9s IN SOUTH AMERICA? Aserca Airlines, in Venezuela.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Yes or no, do you move up more in 5 and 10 years under NWA's proposal than if DAL stood alone. One word answer please. I know you can do it.

 

[General Lee]

Yes or no, do you move up more in 5 and 10 years under NWA's proposal than if DAL stood alone. One word answer please. I know you can do it.

NO? How's that? I know I will move up within the next 10 years a lot thanks to Delta's eventual retirements. Percentage wise, I think it will be about even. I am at around the 52-53% at Delta (48-47% below me). With the mix at NWA, I probably would be the same (hey, that is called RELATIVE SENIORITY), and I would assume NWA pilots would go infront of me, and some would retire, and some would stay. If you get RELATIVE SENIORITY, (also known as status quo), you probably would stay right about where you are now, with the same number of people percentage wise leaving in front of you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[nwaredtail]

NO? How's that? I know I will move up within the next 10 years a lot thanks to Delta's eventual retirements. Percentage wise, I think it will be about even. I am at around the 52-53% at Delta (48-47% below me). With the mix at NWA, I probably would be the same (hey, that is called RELATIVE SENIORITY), and I would assume NWA pilots would go infront of me, and some would retire, and some would stay. If you get RELATIVE SENIORITY, (also known as status quo), you probably would stay right about where you are now, with the same number of people percentage wise leaving in front of you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

If your seniority is what you say it is, then your answer is not correct. You move up more as a combined airline than you otherwise would, anywhere from 10 to 25% more. If your seniority is arounf 3500 at DAL.

 

[d.fitz]

And why he is even more of a jag. After doing some research and actually using the seniority that he "says" he is, the General makes out under either proposal.
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Point is, Mr. Vocal wins either way, so far.

You actually went to this much trouble for a guy on an internet web board?

Wow! Time for a hobby....

 

[nwaredtail]

You actually went to this much trouble for a guy on an internet web board?

Wow! Time for a hobby....

Crashpad time killer. I'm a team player, just wanted him to accurate info......

 

[slapstick]

La Crosse, WI:

World's largest sixpack (as previously stated)

Most bars per capita in the nation (at least that was the claim years ago)

Heck of an Oktoberfest

beautiful river and bluffs

college town, brewery town!

as a guy who used to fuel NWA DC9's in LSE, never thought I might be flying one some day...

 

[General Lee]

If your seniority is what you say it is, then your answer is not correct. You move up more as a combined airline than you otherwise would, anywhere from 10 to 25% more. If your seniority is arounf 3500 at DAL.

Wait, did you say 10-25%? That is a big range. Regardless, you and I will be moving up a lot in the next 10 years, and if I get XMAS off and you don't, well, I'll send you a Barnes and Noble gift card. ($10).
Merry XMAS!!!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Midge]

There happen to be some DC9 Captains who could fly a wide-body but for quality of life reasons, bid DC9 Captain so they can have a great quality of life.

Your blanket statements do not make an educated and valid point. Sounds more like anger and whining to me. Not very becoming for a Delta Captain.

You said "

PMFJI:

Isn't that the same argument the NW side has used to explain why DL's not so "super premium" wide body flying has gone to new hires and junior pilots?

 

[Superpilot92]

blah, blah, blah, Is this over yet?

 

[On Your Six]

blah, blah, blah, Is this over yet?

I agree. This is another lame conversation. Guess what guys - you personally have no control over the outcome. Get over yourselves and just enjoy the ride...

At least your combined airline appears to be on the right path while many others are sinking quickly...

BTW, I really, really wish I had gone to Univeristy of Texas... Go Longhorns!

 

[FDJ2]

Waiting for your examples...............

Start with Nicolau. He discusses contractual pay differentials in his award. You could also review Bloch's decision with respect to the AWA/AAA dispatcher award where he discusses contractual differences and who benefitted more contractually from the merger at great length.

 

[Mikes Apartment]

Start with Nicolau. He discusses contractual pay differentials in his award. You could also review Bloch's decision with respect to the AWA/AAA dispatcher award where he discusses contractual differences and who benefitted more contractually from the merger at great length.

There you go nwaredtail!!

Thanks for playing. --Spanky--

 

[Mikes Apartment]

I agree. This is another lame conversation. Guess what guys - you personally have no control over the outcome. Get over yourselves and just enjoy the ride...

You don't have to read it if you don't want to. Why don't you get over yourself? Stick to the corporate forums and you won't have to hear about our lame conversations.

Thanks!

BTW, My new name is Spanky according to NWAredtail's wife

 

[nwaredtail]

You don't have to read it if you don't want to. Why don't you get over yourself? Stick to the corporate forums and you won't have to hear about our lame conversations.

Thanks!

BTW, My new name is Spanky according to NWAredtail's wife

She called you Pee-wee

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The truth is the General is secretly hoping to see why he is the only one that bashes the LBB overnights. Curiosity is getting to him why all the Southwest guys seem to like going there. He is hoping the merger will give him a chance to find out.

 

[EMBpilot]

And why he is even more of a jag. After doing some research and actually using the seniority that he "says" he is, the General makes out under either proposal.

Lets look:

Approx DAL seniority :47%, in five years (assuming retirement at 60 for BOTH AIRLINES) his seniorirty at original Delta would be 41% and in ten years 20%.

Under NWA proposal, Year 1 = 51% (hardly the 14% he was crying about) year 5 = 39% (5 % better than his original DAL projection due to NWA retirements) and at year 10 = 15% (25% better than his original DAL projection, thanks to NWA retirements)

Under DAL proposal year 1 = 46%, year 5 = 35 % ( 15% better than original seniority at DAL) year 10 = 10% ( a full 50% better than he would have had if DAL stood alone)

Either way, he gains seniority, it's just how much. All due to NWA retirements. How about a thank you butt head!!!!!!!!!!If you assume age 65, just project out 5 extra years.

Point is, Mr. Vocal wins either way, so far.

Lets see here, redtail...

Commuter, a couple of divorces, got hired late, going to be pissed off about this merger until the day you die because you have to blame something, about right?

Get a life!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Lets see here, redtail...

Commuter, a couple of divorces, got hired late, going to be pissed off about this merger until the day you die because you have to blame something, about right?

Get a life!

Don't forget the NW sense of entitlement.

 

[flap operator]

I love these mainline circle jerk threads. It's incredible to me that you're all mainline pilots, who somehow hold your fellow regional pilots with contempt. Have you ever stepped back and looked at how arrogant, immature, melodramatic, self centered and ridiculous you all sound?

Aren't you all supposed to be the mighty mainline pilot that we red headed step children aspire to be someday? Wow... great example you're setting. And you want respect from the public, your company and the rest of the flying professionals out there? Gimme a break.

 

[nwaredtail]

Lets see here, redtail...

Commuter, a couple of divorces, got hired late, going to be pissed off about this merger until the day you die because you have to blame something, about right?

Get a life!

Ha, 1996 hire when I was 28. Will be pissed off if the award is DAL's, as will be about 4500 other guys. How about you, EMB Pilot? (that pretty much answers my question)

 

[PuffDriver]

I love these mainline circle jerk threads. It's incredible to me that you're all mainline pilots, who somehow hold your fellow regional pilots with contempt. Have you ever stepped back and looked at how arrogant, immature, melodramatic, self centered and ridiculous you all sound?

Aren't you all supposed to be the mighty mainline pilot that we red headed step children aspire to be someday? Wow... great example you're setting. And you want respect from the public, your company and the rest of the flying professionals out there? Gimme a break.

So why are you reading it? Nobody is tying you to your computer. Next.

 

[nwaredtail]

Lets see here, redtail...

Commuter, a couple of divorces, got hired late, going to be pissed off about this merger until the day you die because you have to blame something, about right?

Get a life!

Ha, 1996 hire when I was 28. Hired just 5 years after getting my private license, thank you very much. I will be pissed off if the award is DAL's, as will be about 4500 other guys. Something about DAL's list that harms my seniority for the next 20 years or so. How about you, EMB Pilot? (that pretty much answers my question) Career RJ pilot recently hired at DAL?