Why G0jet matters

[redbook]

U-I pilot... Before you got out of High School.... CHQ Teamsters saw the importance of signing a CBA that combined the CHQ/Republic and all other flying that Republic Holdings could do. Their payrates were not great, but they (CHQ/IBT) saw the importance of securing the 51+ market to maintian growth into the future. TSA ALPA did not, and now the pilots at TSA, along with the 50 seat market industry wide, are a shrinking force.

The offer that the company made to TSA MEC, had the same rates as CHQ pays now.

TSA ALPA MEC should have learned from the CHQ IBT.

You are right... You can't blame the pilots at TSA, they were misrepresented by their ALPA MEC.

FlyHiToo,
The high school comment... a little low and gratuitous no?

But lets accept the rest of your argument for just a second. That still doesn't answer: Why would you join an alter ego and be part of the whipsaw?

You g0jet guys sound just like ALPA when you speak of "securing the market", "growth into the future".

TSA pilots did not want to secure a low wage, large aircraft future. Why do you? Do you really think an additional crj type will be the ticket to "dream jobs"?

I am sure you are concerned about the type rating being offset by the stigma attached to an alter ego and the resulting backlash against G0jet.

 

[rjacobs]

HAHAHA, I just got this PM from RSSPILOT, read the title and it explains the whole deal with hojet.

Fingering other pilots when your in a sterile cockpit?
If you were as quick with your brain as you are with your fingers...you would still have a job. I smile when i hear about classless pilots like yourself getting furloughed....hope you NEVER make it back. You don't deserve it.


I am not even going to respond to that privately. I will respond publicly by saying ******************** YOU SCAB. Also ive never "fingered" another pilot during sterile cockpit. I guess we really know what goes on in a fagjet cockpit when they are sitting ground stopped somewhere. Im also sure that everybody on here uses the sterile cockpit rules at all times. Id like to have a hojet person say ******************** like this to my face. They wouldnt cause they dont have the balls to stand up for anything they believe in.

 

[rsspilot]

HAHAHA, I just got this PM from RSSPILOT, read the title and it explains the whole deal with hojet.

Fingering other pilots when your in a sterile cockpit?
If you were as quick with your brain as you are with your fingers...you would still have a job. I smile when i hear about classless pilots like yourself getting furloughed....hope you NEVER make it back. You don't deserve it.


I am not even going to respond to that privately. I will respond publicly by saying ******************** YOU SCAB. Also ive never "fingered" another pilot during sterile cockpit. I guess we really know what goes on in a fagjet cockpit when they are sitting ground stopped somewhere. Im also sure that everybody on here uses the sterile cockpit rules at all times. Id like to have a hojet person say ******************** like this to my face. They wouldnt cause they dont have the balls to stand up for anything they believe in.

121.542(b) No flight crewmember may engage in any activity during a critical phase of flight which could distract any flight crewmember from performance of his or her duties.

Critical phase of flight defined in paragraph c of this section to include all ground operations involving taxi.

I dont believe you, rjacobs, where furloughed. I believe you where fired as you should be for lacking any amound of class.....I hope the passengers on the GJ flight didnt see your lack of professionalism on display.

Have a good time in the unemployment line.

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[tomcash]

******************** BlowJets and its classless whores.

 

[Shrek]

rsspilot........since I just forwarded Mr Jacob's resume along to another regional so he can continue in this profession......your statement does NOT ring true.

Maybe he should not of broken sterile cockpit but shouldn't ANY pilot show a little deference to another.........who just LOST their job?!!

The likes of you are common in G0Jet country I am afraid. To take pleasure from another's loss is cowardly and juvenile. I do not expect an appology will come from such a fine individual like yourself.

 

[temcgrew]

U-I pilot... Before you got out of High School.... CHQ Teamsters saw the importance of signing a CBA that combined the CHQ/Republic and all other flying that Republic Holdings could do. Their payrates were not great, but they (CHQ/IBT) saw the importance of securing the 51+ market to maintian growth into the future. TSA ALPA did not, and now the pilots at TSA, along with the 50 seat market industry wide, are a shrinking force.

The offer that the company made to TSA MEC, had the same rates as CHQ pays now.

TSA ALPA MEC should have learned from the CHQ IBT.

You are right... You can't blame the pilots at TSA, they were misrepresented by their ALPA MEC.

I agree totally, I wish there were more open minded pilots here at TSA who had the backbone to vote yes.

 

[phishn@daves]

Ok, I'll start this off again....by asking how many shares of your airline do you own?

Didn't we all start the same way.....by sending out resumes to a bunch of regionals years ago? Some let us interview, others did not. Maybe hired by one or two? You chose one.

Well, we really have no idea at the time what "our" airline is going to do. Well things happen and it is beyond our control. Those of you who boast and brag about your company doing this or that...........you had nothing to do with it.

For the AE guy's who gave us the finger when taxying, we had nothing to do with it, although, some of our guy's were happy to get more flying, and some were just dicks.

As far as any growth for any regional goes, it really has nothing to do with the pilots. Why is there such anger between us?

You can go FUC% your union, or management, but that is about it.

As far as G0 Jets goes, the pilots knew what they were doing!

Don't ever think one pilot is better from another, we all wanted to get hired by whomever, some of us got stuck where we are now.

But for you GJ mothers, I hope you can sleep well at night on your 6 day 1 off shed. You deserve that and more. You scared $hitless fuc%s in ORD who turn your badges around and look at everyone elses to make sure they are not TSA should be ashamed of yourselves, and...........apparently are.

 

[AirCobra]

I am at O'Hare virtually every day. I see plenty of Go Jet uniforms and badges especially a little later in the morning when the ALB and STL flights go out. Does not look like anyone is hiding anything to me. Since these threads started I talked to a few Go Jet pilots to see if anything had happened to them. I mentioned this before, there were three guys I talked to, one was a furloughed major airline guy, and two Air Force combat vet retirees. Maybe you 20 something punks behaved yourself when these guys walked around the terminal and did not harass old guys that look like your Dad.

I hope guys like rajacobs and phishn @daves have the intelligence not to give the finger to a combat veteran's, what did you guys ever do for anyone? Ever dropped a GBU on an Taliban position so a bunch of Special Forces guys don't get wasted? And in ignorance you are going to give this guy the finger because he has a Go Jet ID badge.

What about the furloughed airline guy. Eventually he may get a position at Jet Blue, FedEx or Southwest and be working for HR, when you waltz in for perhaps your only shot at an interview for a non-regional. Did you flip him off, deny him a jumpseat, call him a classless whore?

You think you have a network to keep Go Jet guys out of other airlines well I am sure these guys have their own network too. You need to show some maturity. I think for the most part you happily post here but, would never actually confront someone in person. My favorite is the guy on that jumpseats on Go Jet then posts on here calling Go Jet scumbags. Its easy to be brave on a forum when no one knows who you are. I think those that do confront other pilots probably select young guys that look like them. They wouldn't have the guts to walk up to a 40 something dude and say anything, because they are afraid he may be furlouged from an airline or going to an airline they want to work for. Still cowardly.

Some advice-regional jobs are stepping stones most of the time you will never be well compensated no matter who you fly for what union you are in. ALPA is happy to let guys make $20 an hour. What has ALPA ever done for you? Treat everyone with respect and dignity especially people in your profession, you never know who you pissed off. When you put on that uniform other people are watching how you act, especially other pilots, so act accordingly. All airlines will always do what is best for them no matter how much they screw you, don't scew yourself by acting unprofessional, because what goes around comes around.

 

[tomcash]

What goes around comes around...

good advice for all scabs.

 

[IHateMgmt]

I just can't stand the attitude like AirCobra has. "So what if we happen to end up at G0Jets... it's not our faults." BS. Take responsibility for your actions. When those pilots ran to G0Jets drooling over their quick upgrades in their shiny new jets, they made a decision. Nobody was forced to fly for G0Jets. They made the decision to fly for G0Jets despite having to step on all the pilots at TSA that got there before they did. They made the decision stemming from extremely selfish and narrow-minded motivations.

The sad part is that they got away with it. That should have never happened... but it did. Now the rest of the pilot group calls them whores and denies them jumpseats. If TSA pilots should've know that G0Jets would steal all their growth (which is totally and completely BS) than G0Jet pilots should certainly know that everyone will hate you for what you so selfishly have done. You should expect to be looked down on by your peers. You should expect to be rejected by them. You should expect negative threads on flightinfo. So what are all you G0Jet pilots whining about? You made your own bed. Now Sit back and enjoy the sh*t you sleep in.

 

[PCL_128]

I hope guys like rajacobs and phishn @daves have the intelligence not to give the finger to a combat veteran's, what did you guys ever do for anyone? Ever dropped a GBU on an Taliban position so a bunch of Special Forces guys don't get wasted? And in ignorance you are going to give this guy the finger because he has a Go Jet ID badge.

I don't care if he killed Osama bin f&%(#in' Laden with a GBU, he's still a SCAB!

 

[stage]

Dont Go-jets pilots make more than TSA pilots? And isnt the pay scale on par with Comair's new contract?

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[AirCobra]

These arguments assumes everyone was drooling over some 70 seat RJ. I am sure this was a downgrade for most military retirees and furloughed airline pilots. What did a TSA pilot ever do for a United mainline guy or an AWAC pilot except take their routes. Why should I feel bad when the same is happening to you? Your company will do what is cheapest for them everytime and you will take a job to help pay for bills.

What if you were United mainline and you were furloughed when Express took over much of the domestic flying. If somone like Go Jet was the only job offer you received, you wouldn't take it to protect pilots that fly for the company that are part of the reason you are furloughed? Same goes for AWAC, what if you lived in the Midwest for the last 7 years and did not want to commute to the East Coast when TSA , Mesa, and Skywest undercut your company and after 19 years as United Express at ORD you have been booted out. You would not take a job at Go Jet if it allows you to stay in the same area and it is the only offer you received so you can protect the interests of TSA pilots?

The brotherhood pilots have is not to unions or companies its to each other. In 1993 when Southwest actively tried to destroy United Shuttle I would never have denied a jumpseat to a Southwest pilot. That is the airline biz. We are all trying to just get home or to work, pay the bills, have a life. You guys keep saying Go Jet pilots knew this or Go Jet pilots knew that, well maybe they don't view the world the same way you do. I am sure when they offered that Air Force pilot a job it was probably the first time he ever heard of TSA. I work with guys that couldn't name most of the United Express carriers. Most mainline pilots call you all Mesa guys. That is why I really question your Go Jet keep pilots out of a job network. If you choose to give someone a hard time I beleive eventually you will piss off the wrong person and who is going to suffer for it..you.

Finally a word to PCL128 if you see a Go Jet pilot in his 40's, gray hair, wearing an Air Force command pilot wing tie tac I encourage to get up in his face and say what you just posted. Let me know what happened because I don't think you have the strength of your convictions to do it.

 

[rjacobs]

50 cents or a dollar doesnt mean ******************** when they sit on the ramp in STL, IAD, or ORD waiting to leave for 2 hours with no block or better. When the ******************** hit the fan in IAD a few weeks ago I heard at least 4 blowjet airplanes return to the gate for fuel. Why, to get paid for an attempt. Unless they are really that stupid to run an engine for 3 or 4 hours or get a rediculous reroute(which I doubt) why else would they return to the gate. I sat for 3 hours then took off and flew one hour to DAY and got paid the whole amount. If it was a hojet flight they would have only gotten paid the one hour. So that 50 cents or a dollar just didnt do squat for them when they have to lose their place in line with 300 airplanes waiting to go, just so they could get paid a little more.

 

[Smarta$$]

I am at O'Hare virtually every day. I see plenty of Go Jet uniforms and badges especially a little later in the morning when the ALB and STL flights go out. Does not look like anyone is hiding anything to me. Since these threads started I talked to a few Go Jet pilots to see if anything had happened to them. I mentioned this before, there were three guys I talked to, one was a furloughed major airline guy, and two Air Force combat vet retirees. Maybe you 20 something punks behaved yourself when these guys walked around the terminal and did not harass old guys that look like your Dad.

I hope guys like rajacobs and phishn @daves have the intelligence not to give the finger to a combat veteran's, what did you guys ever do for anyone? Ever dropped a GBU on an Taliban position so a bunch of Special Forces guys don't get wasted? And in ignorance you are going to give this guy the finger because he has a Go Jet ID badge.

What about the furloughed airline guy. Eventually he may get a position at Jet Blue, FedEx or Southwest and be working for HR, when you waltz in for perhaps your only shot at an interview for a non-regional. Did you flip him off, deny him a jumpseat, call him a classless whore?

You think you have a network to keep Go Jet guys out of other airlines well I am sure these guys have their own network too. You need to show some maturity. I think for the most part you happily post here but, would never actually confront someone in person. My favorite is the guy on that jumpseats on Go Jet then posts on here calling Go Jet scumbags. Its easy to be brave on a forum when no one knows who you are. I think those that do confront other pilots probably select young guys that look like them. They wouldn't have the guts to walk up to a 40 something dude and say anything, because they are afraid he may be furlouged from an airline or going to an airline they want to work for. Still cowardly.

Some advice-regional jobs are stepping stones most of the time you will never be well compensated no matter who you fly for what union you are in. ALPA is happy to let guys make $20 an hour. What has ALPA ever done for you? Treat everyone with respect and dignity especially people in your profession, you never know who you pissed off. When you put on that uniform other people are watching how you act, especially other pilots, so act accordingly. All airlines will always do what is best for them no matter how much they screw you, don't scew yourself by acting unprofessional, because what goes around comes around.

Gayjet pilot!

 

[Smarta$$]

These arguments assumes everyone was drooling over some 70 seat RJ. I am sure this was a downgrade for most military retirees and furloughed airline pilots. What did a TSA pilot ever do for a United mainline guy or an AWAC pilot except take their routes. Why should I feel bad when the same is happening to you? Your company will do what is cheapest for them everytime and you will take a job to help pay for bills.

What if you were United mainline and you were furloughed when Express took over much of the domestic flying. If somone like Go Jet was the only job offer you received, you wouldn't take it to protect pilots that fly for the company that are part of the reason you are furloughed? Same goes for AWAC, what if you lived in the Midwest for the last 7 years and did not want to commute to the East Coast when TSA , Mesa, and Skywest undercut your company and after 19 years as United Express at ORD you have been booted out. You would not take a job at Go Jet if it allows you to stay in the same area and it is the only offer you received so you can protect the interests of TSA pilots?

The brotherhood pilots have is not to unions or companies its to each other. In 1993 when Southwest actively tried to destroy United Shuttle I would never have denied a jumpseat to a Southwest pilot. That is the airline biz. We are all trying to just get home or to work, pay the bills, have a life. You guys keep saying Go Jet pilots knew this or Go Jet pilots knew that, well maybe they don't view the world the same way you do. I am sure when they offered that Air Force pilot a job it was probably the first time he ever heard of TSA. I work with guys that couldn't name most of the United Express carriers. Most mainline pilots call you all Mesa guys. That is why I really question your Go Jet keep pilots out of a job network. If you choose to give someone a hard time I beleive eventually you will piss off the wrong person and who is going to suffer for it..you.

Finally a word to PCL128 if you see a Go Jet pilot in his 40's, gray hair, wearing an Air Force command pilot wing tie tac I encourage to get up in his face and say what you just posted. Let me know what happened because I don't think you have the strength of your convictions to do it.

The mainlines you speak of voted to erode they're scope. Tsa never voted to erase they're scope.

 

[temcgrew]

Originally Posted by AirCobra
I hope guys like rajacobs and phishn @daves have the intelligence not to give the finger to a combat veteran's, what did you guys ever do for anyone? Ever dropped a GBU on an Taliban position so a bunch of Special Forces guys don't get wasted? And in ignorance you are going to give this guy the finger because he has a Go Jet ID badge.

What happened to Men of Honor? A Military career, then go to g0jet? Shame on you.

 

[jetfo]

A seperate certificate was necessary but a seperate seniority list was not. Management never once sat down with their own pilots to have a real negotiation, they just threw out some POS offer they knew would get rejected so they could say"we tried."

I guess you guys should have taken it then!

Then you would have the same situation as Republic, one seniority list.

Your vote, your choice!

You guys took your chances and you lost, now let it go! You won't change it now.

The ruling on the single carrier petition was the end of it!

 

[Smarta$$]

I guess you guys should have taken it then!

Then you would have the same situation as Republic, one seniority list.

Your vote, your choice!

You guys took your chances and you lost, now let it go! You won't change it now.

The ruling on the single carrier petition was the end of it!

You are such a scum bag. The company had already hired several pilots for goatjets before they offered our only chance. The offer protected the gayjet pilots from furlough, but not our pilots that were here first. Who can say that was a good offer or that it was fare or even suggest we should have taken it. Scum bag. Why do you defend low lifes.

 

[D'Angelo]

I guess you guys should have taken it then!

Then you would have the same situation as Republic, one seniority list.

Your vote, your choice!

You guys took your chances and you lost, now let it go! You won't change it now.

The ruling on the single carrier petition was the end of it!

Yep that is very true. Its kind of like Mainline allowing the 50 seat RJs back in the mid 90s. They could have had all the flying but chose not to. Once you butter your bread you must then sleep in it. TSA voted to outsource their scope when they gave up the chance to have everyone on the list. You always get people on the same list then live to fight another day. Unfortunately TSA is fighting just to keep what flying is left now so the cost may be even higher.

 

[jetfo]

Dont Go-jets pilots make more than TSA pilots? And isnt the pay scale on par with Comair's new contract?

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Please don't confuse these militant TransStates kids with the facts!

Same for AirCobra, let these unprofessional morons screw up their careers. You're just wasting your time trying to aquaint them with the facts.

When it comes time for me to sit on an interview board again and a TransStates applicant comes in, my first question will be, "have you ever denied a jumpseat to anyone and why?"

If the answer is any other than, because the pilot in question was not authorized or it violated CFR's or company policy, I am sure you can guess what my vote would be, and I am sure I would not be alone.

This childish and unprofessional behavior is not tolerated at mainline carriers!

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

I hope guys like rajacobs and phishn @daves have the intelligence not to give the finger to a combat veteran's, what did you guys ever do for anyone? Ever dropped a GBU on an Taliban position so a bunch of Special Forces guys don't get wasted? And in ignorance you are going to give this guy the finger because he has a Go Jet ID badge.

I can play on that card. Ones who serve their country deserve the due respect but that is no get out of jail free card. A guy could have came back from war with 3 purple hearts, 2 bronze stars and the medal of Honor but if he was macking on my wife..Game on.

I did'nt have the luxury of dropping bombs, I was too busy getting shot at and avoiding IED's(improvised explosive devices).

I have served with many great people and a good share of Deuchbags in the military, Don't campare military service with choices people make. Remember all the SF guys at Bragg that murdered their wives were decorated Afghan vets.

 

[PCL_128]

Finally a word to PCL128 if you see a Go Jet pilot in his 40's, gray hair, wearing an Air Force command pilot wing tie tac I encourage to get up in his face and say what you just posted. Let me know what happened because I don't think you have the strength of your convictions to do it.

You think wrong. I don't get in the face of uniformed crew members and start arguments in the terminal in front of passengers (a little thing called professionalism that you HoJet SCABs wouldn't understand), but if the guy you describe ever tries to jumpseat on my flight, you can bet he'll get an ear full right before he's kicked off my airplane. Frickin' SCABs!

 

[tomcash]

Jet F/O,

Who do you work for. Where did you fly the CRJ7?

Please don't confuse these militant TransStates kids with the facts!

Same for AirCobra, let these unprofessional morons screw up their careers. You're just wasting your time trying to aquaint them with the facts.

When it comes time for me to sit on an interview board again and a TransStates applicant comes in, my first question will be, "have you ever denied a jumpseat to anyone and why?"

If the answer is any other than, because the pilot in question was not authorized or it violated CFR's or company policy, I am sure you can guess what my vote would be, and I am sure I would not be alone.

This childish and unprofessional behavior is not tolerated at mainline carriers!

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

What if you were United mainline and you were furloughed when Express took over much of the domestic flying. If somone like Go Jet was the only job offer you received, you wouldn't take it to protect pilots that fly for the company that are part of the reason you are furloughed? Same goes for AWAC, what if you lived in the Midwest for the last 7 years and did not want to commute to the East Coast when TSA , Mesa, and Skywest undercut your company and after 19 years as United Express at ORD you have been booted out. You would not take a job at Go Jet if it allows you to stay in the same area and it is the only offer you received so you can protect the interests of TSA pilots?

We have many guys that live in the STL area, ORD, Kansas,DEN,PHX,LAX, etc.etc. They all commute to Philly now

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Please don't confuse these militant TransStates kids with the facts!

Same for AirCobra, let these unprofessional morons screw up their careers. You're just wasting your time trying to aquaint them with the facts.

When it comes time for me to sit on an interview board again and a TransStates applicant comes in, my first question will be, "have you ever denied a jumpseat to anyone and why?"

If the answer is any other than, because the pilot in question was not authorized or it violated CFR's or company policy, I am sure you can guess what my vote would be, and I am sure I would not be alone.

This childish and unprofessional behavior is not tolerated at mainline carriers!

The CFR's and Company manuals don't say anything about not allowing scabs from the 80's in their jumpseat but many captains still look up the names in their list.

 

[flyinsick]

Hi guys

Before being furloughed from Trans States I made it a point to ask other pilots about the Go Jet option. Let me make this clear, I did not ask Trans States pilots. In my travels, I, and friends that I had asked to find out about the general opinion about Go Jet. We must have surveyed together over 100 captains from other regional and major airlines. And..... "It seems it would be a career ending move." Some Captains even showed me a list in their flight bag of all the pilots that are now working for Go Jet. The word is out.

But I feel bad for the young people that had that aviation sparkle in their eye and hopes to go big, For getting caught up in this mess. They knew no better.

And for that I am Flyinsick....

 

[jetfo]

You are such a scum bag. The company had already hired several pilots for goatjets before they offered our only chance. The offer protected the gayjet pilots from furlough, but not our pilots that were here first. Who can say that was a good offer or that it was fare or even suggest we should have taken it. Scum bag. Why do you defend low lifes.

I did not say it was a good offer, that it was fair, or that what resulted is a good thing.

It was just an offer you couldn't/shouldn't have refused. And, you guys shouldn't have been mislead by your MEC.

We have all gotten screwed at one time or another in this business. What makes you guys so special?

 

[jetfo]

Jet F/O,

Who do you work for. Where did you fly the CRJ7?

Fair question, but suffice it to say not GJ!

So I don't have a dog in this fight, just an opinion!

But, if I needed a job, and while I don't like TSH management, I wouldn't turn one from GJ down. But, it wouldn't be my first choice either.

It's just another trashy regional, like every other. They would take my flying in a minute, just like you would if you could.

 

[jetfo]

The CFR's and Company manuals don't say anything about not allowing scabs from the 80's in their jumpseat but many captains still look up the names in their list.

I don't agree with that either. Water under the bridge! But, at least they are concerned about real scabs, not what many on this board consider scabs.