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It's not always the applicant's fault . . . .

Ever consider that some people are rejected because of incompetent, unfair or unprofessional interviewers? No, I'm not making excuses for myself, and you'll see why if you care to read on.

The aviation example I cite the most is my Mesa Airlines interview in 1990. At that time regional jets were being developed. I had read about them in professional pilot magazines. My interviewer at Mesa was Grady Reed, who was VP of something-or-another. He had asked if I had any questions. I asked Mister Reed if Mesa had planned to acquire RJs. His response was "no," and he was clearly annoyed with my question. I was not hired. Of course, we all know that Mesa later became a leading CRJ and ERJ operator, and even puts 300-hour MAPD grads in their right seats. I learned later that "Mister" Reed did not enjoy a great reputation as a Mesa executive. The more important lesson I learned was not to ask questions during an interview.

My best non-aviation example is an interview for a paralegal position I attended six-and-a-half years ago. I arrived about fifteen minutes early and had announced myself to the receptionist. I sat and waited, and went back to the receptionist. Twenty minutes after my appointment was to start, out comes my interviewer. This was the office manager, and she claimed she had to speak with a hard-to-reach vendor. When she turned to salary, she asked my expectations. I had been trained never to give a figure but to try to determine the salary range and respond accordingly. I had always sucessfully used the response that given my experience and qualifications that I was sure the employer would make a fair offer. I also knew the typical salary range for someone with my experience. She then demanded my range, which was within that range. Her somewhat abrupt response: "What may be fair for you may not be fair for us." That crack was unprofessional. I was not hired, and was glad, because I've always believed that a company's interview process offers a valuable peek into its culture and how one will be treated as an employee. I sent that woman a followup thank-you letter, but wished thereafter that I had never sent it because she did not deserve it.

Conclusion: Be prepared for your interview, be on time, dress appropriately and act professionally. Do your best. But, remember that a lot of luck is involved in getting jobs, and, despite your best efforts, an incompetent or unprofessional interviewer can be your undoing.
 
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Bobbysamd,

You asked the question about the RJs of exactly the wrong person. "Mister" R used to refer to the jets as "Orenstein's (sp) wet dream" and did everything he could to shoot the program down. Johnny O returned to Mesa and shortly thereafter R was bouncing on the sidewalk.
 
As Paul Harvey would say, "Here's the rest of the story . . . ."

NewBlue said:
You asked the question about the RJs of exactly the wrong person. "Mister" R used to refer to the jets as "Orenstein's (sp) wet dream" and did everything he could to shoot the program down. Johnny O returned to Mesa and shortly thereafter R was bouncing on the sidewalk.
I did not know that at the time. I had turned to FAPA for Mesa interview intel. It told me that Reed interviewed applicants, so I was aware of him when I interviewed. I was not aware that he hated jets; just the same, despite the interviewer's prejudices an applicant should not be penalized for asking a reasonable question. Especially after so many people say that when you're brought in to interview you are as good as hired (with which I disagree). As soon as I received my rejection letter, I fired off an appeal directly to the Chief Pilot, Mike W., with whom I got nowhere.

I raise this point because airlines generally give applicants only one shot. Life may not be fair, but most will agree that in such situations suffering rejection by an unprofessional interviewer is wrong. Not to mention that airline interviews are rare when compared to the effort and tons of paper transmitted to get them.

I learned the Beech 1900 "Grady Valve" story years later. The street is a good place for Grady.
 
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I will agree with Bobbysam.

I had an interviewer ask a question: Tell me about a time?

I started my answer with, ( A good example to encapsulate that question is: and then my answer.)

When I was finished with my answer she said, "What does encapsulate mean?" She had a puzzled look on her face. She was college educated, I know because she attended the same University I did, and was an Ice Breaker topic. I had the feeling after that, that most of the conversation went un-interpreted.

Mark

 
See #4, Bobby.

So now it's the unprofessional interviewer that keeps one from getting hired. Interestingly enough, I have a buddy who just got hired by a regional.....nearly 40 years old, career-changer CFI who barely met the minimums required by the company. Oh yeah, he asked a question about the company fleet in the interview. Maybe the interviewers here were more professional. Yeah, that's it.
 
I agree with your point Hugh, but in my case I was hired and it was a non-issue. In Bobbysam’s point (rare case) the interviewer seemed to have some management issues and a power struggle with the companies future that Bobbysam happen to pour some salt on without any knowledge of the underlying story. He was asking an honest question in an attempt to demonstrate interest in the company and it’s long term plan.

Mark



 
Professional interviewers

Hugh Jorgan said:
So now it's the unprofessional interviewer that keeps one from getting hired. Interestingly enough, I have a buddy who just got hired by a regional.....nearly 40 years old, career-changer CFI who barely met the minimums required by the company. Oh yeah, he asked a question about the company fleet in the interview. Maybe the interviewers here were more professional. Yeah, that's it.)
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vetteracer said:
[T]he interviewer seemed to have some management issues and a power struggle with the companies future that Bobbysam happen to pour some salt on without any knowledge of the underlying story. He was asking an honest question in an attempt to demonstrate interest in the company and it’s long term plan.
Also see my law office example, above. I rest my case. I stand by my comments, including my $0.02 recommendations about not asking questions if invited.
 
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Well, I was hiring for an IT position. So anyone that did not email me their application got the boot. So those 3,000 snail mails went into the trash. My ad actually just gave the company URL and the email address. Those 3,000 went to the site, looked up the snail mail address and sent in the resumes.

I assume if they want to work at an IT job, they know how to take their Word Document, attach it to an email and send it to me. Now of course, if they sent it in via email and snail mail, they still got called because of the emailed version.

Out of 675, 60-75 were telephoned with basic technical questions, and 40 were called in for a first round which was just a typing test believe it or not. 15 survived the typing test and were interviewed face to face. If you want to work with computers, you better know how to type. I was looking for 30 wpm to 40 wpm with 80% accuracy. Its programming not data entry, so typos lead to software that won't compile/run and that can be corrected, so its not a huge deal to get 90%+ accuracy. Also, they had to be looking at the screen, and couldn't look at the keyboard, so they could catch the typos.

Out of the 15 that were interviewed face to face, 2 were hired and it had a lot to do with how the person presented themselves. I'm a huge stickler for language because these people will be meeting the clients face to face, giving presentations on their work, etc. So if they use the word "like" in like every like sentence, its like annoying. We had 2-3 show up not dressed for an interview at all.

Resume and cover letter don't mean much to me. I don't care about the color of the paper, the weight of the paper, or the size of the font (within reason of course).

Certifications - when it comes to computers, as opposed to flying, these things don't mean anything to me. People that have never touched a computer, go cough up a few grand and go get their MCSE (Microsoft Certified Software Engineer aka Must Consult Someone Experienced) cert and now are magically qualified.

Confidence - huge deal. During the face to face, if the person is doubtful whether they can handle the job, its a turn off. I'd rather have the person be confident, put in 100%, and fail, than already have failure on their mind before they have the job. I don't want someone to tell me, "the job sounds very challenging" at the interview.

Bottom line -- I didn't hire the most qualified in the bunch. I did hire qualified people, but everything else had to fall into place.

Vik

Resume Writer said:
Vik is dead on with what he/she has written. I covered this a few months ago about employers not having the manpower to send out rejection letters to those not qualified.

I am sure that Vik can also tell you that many of the resume received were not even QUALIFIED for the position that was posted. These are the people that feel it they throw enough "food" at the wall, eventually something will stick.

Tell me Vik, how many people did you select for an initial telephone screen? (if you did one) My guess would be about 15-20. From that did you narrow it down to 5-10 for a face-to-face? From there was it about 2-3 for a final interview? I am just curious if my numbers are still pretty accurate.

Vik, I also would like to know, along with everyone else I am sure, what made you select the people that you did? Was it a combination of things, i.e., resume, qualifications, cover letter, certifications, etc?

NOW, if you want to stand out with the "Viks" of the world, you send a follow-up email about 1 week after and reiterate your interest in the position saying that you really want to work for them. You may not have been in the initial pull, but most times, that will at least get you a phone screen.

This does not always work, but, an employer likes to see initiative. If you do not get a response within a week, you need to go on to the next job. (You should try not to put all your eggs in one basket)

Thanks Vik for providing a hiring perspective on this post!

Kathy
 
Vik,

Thanks for your insight. You interviewed a ton of people, which is pretty rare these days. But all of your reasons were valid.

Also, when you brought up that they did not follow directions regarding the emailing of their resume, that hit home. I preach all the time to my seminar participants that you have to follow the directions given to you and READ the job posting. I remember some guy about two months ago telling me he faxed in the resume because he did not want to get "lost" in the emails. He wondered why he did not get called and I told him.

I think my questions about the resume came from what made you decide to call them for the initial screen. (obviously it had to be something on their resume, i.e., the way it was worded, etc., that made you call them since they were not standing in front of you.)

Second, I had to laugh about the MCSE comment! That was hilarious. We have people in my profession that get certified as resume writers that could not fight their way out of a paper bag. Many resume writers have never hired anyone before. I cannot understand how they can counsel someone on the hiring process if they have never done it!

Thanks for your insight again!!

Kathy
 
bobbysamd said:
(emphasis added) Also see my law office example, above. I rest my case. I stand by my comments, including my $0.02 recommendations about not asking questions if invited.
Ok, since the comment was brought up, I am going to start a new thread about the "type" of questions that can be asked.

See the new thread for examples! :)

Kathy
 

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