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AMEN! Good post AA717driver.

All my life I wanted to be an airline pilot... after 3 furloughs (+ one that never materialized), 6 airlines, 8 airplanes, 9 domiciles, and countless holidays and special occasions missed (including scheduling calling to junior-man me on my honeymoon...yeah right) I found myself at my first corporate job.

I've never been happier. I cant believe what i've been missing all these years.
 
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Im home more than most airline pilots - for sure - but everything still seems to break or go to $hit when Im in someplace like China or India.

murphys law is that?
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
Im home more than most airline pilots - for sure - but everything still seems to break or go to $hit when Im in someplace like China or India.

murphys law is that?
Join the club, the only time my Hot Tub goes on the blink is when I am on a trip, I swear the thing knows when I am out of town... And leaving it sit INOP outside in the middle of winter is not an option... Whatcha gonna do?
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
Im home more than most airline pilots - for sure - but everything still seems to break or go to $hit when Im in someplace like China or India.

murphys law is that?

"You could talk your principal into selling that Global to the Chinese or local Maharaja (as appropriate to location of failure) and buying a Gulfstream for it's superior reliability," said GVFlyer while donning his flak jacket and steel pot.

GV
 
GVFlyer said:
"You could talk your principal into selling that Global to the Chinese or local Maharaja (as appropriate to location of failure) and buying a Gulfstream for it's superior reliability," said GVFlyer while donning his flak jacket and steel pot.
Or even better, take the money and use it to buy a Falcon 7X.
'Sled
 
Lead Sled said:
Or even better, take the money and use it to buy a Falcon 7X.
'Sled

Which would certainly be an option if he had only a short distance to fly and could wait until 2007 for delivery and wanted to help Dassault complete Falcon 7X development as the aircraft encountered inevitable entry into service problems.

GV
 
GVFlyer said:
"You could talk your principal into selling that Global to the Chinese or local Maharaja (as appropriate to location of failure) and buying a Gulfstream for it's superior reliability," said GVFlyer while donning his flak jacket and steel pot.

GV
I think he meant things going to sh!t or breaking at home, not the airplane...
 
Originally Posted by wndshr
yeah.....riiiiiiiight....that is what a lot of guys say when they get their feet wet in the corporate/airline world! but be sure to plan for the day when the sky will fall. have never met retired pilot who hasn't had at least a few jobs during his/her career!

i would be interested to poll how many guys at swa left for corporate jobs.....and vice versa????? anybody taking bets?????





Honestly, I don't think there would be too many SWA pilots leaving that successful company (unless they've F'd up and/or are retired... ) for a corporate position. In fact most SWA pilots I know have stayed til retirement and continued to run their own successful businesses, some in aviation and some in non-aviation fields... But I am willing to bet there would be a high number of "non SWA" airline pilots switching over to the corporate environment, like GV says i.e., Northwest...

the question is, how many of them carry over their airline mentality to the corporate sector?? I do know the two don't mix ..
 
There are some really good and interesting posts from everybody that has replied on saviboy question.



It is interesting to note that the most negative comments on corporate aviation comes from a relatively low time co-pilot flying regional jet equipment for a regional airline. There is of course nothing wrong with his views; it would just be interesting to hear his/her opinion 10 years from now.



When I started in this (aviation) business many, many years ago the airline captain was GOD. One never heard of an airline going out of business. Sure there were some buyouts and takeovers, but overall once one made the airlines one had a job for life earning a great salary with fantastic retirement.



Pam American World Airways ruled the international airways. Being a Pam Am captain was past god; on RONs the captain got his own taxi. Domestically TWA, Eastern, Braniff, Continental, American, Delta and United ruled the skies. US. Air came later. For all practical purposes there were no regional airlines. Oh yes there was the old Frontier, Central and Trans Texas airlines to mention a few, however, those airlines did not consider themselves just a regional airline. No they figured that they were just a small airline waiting to grow into a major.



Then came de-regulation. The airline world changed forever. Pam Am gone, TWA gone, Braniff gone, Eastern gone. Those were just the majors. U.S. Air pilots taking massive pay cuts and looking at little or no retirement, Delta same shape, United same shape. I read an article in the ‘Wall Street Journal’ that said that Continental is losing $1.5 million dollars an HOUR.



Okay, now on the corporate side of this issue. At my age I feel that I have had a fairly typical non-airline pilot’s career. My first corporate job was flying a Navajo starting in 1972. Following is my career.



Navajo, aircraft sold, company went out of business.

King Air 90 (a straight 90) aircraft sold.

Free lanced for 2 years

MU-2 and Jet Commander, I quit to go to work for another company.

Jet Commander, West Wind II, Sabre 40, DC-3, I was chief pilot but the oil industry went down the old crapper and the flight department was shut down. (Wife divorced me.)

Freelanced for one year.

West Wind, left to go to work for the Government.

Boeing 727 captain for the government for ten years. Left go back to corporate aviation.

Sabre 65, Falcon 900EX, Falcon 50EX chief pilot currently and my boss has guaranteed that this is my last flying job and after I stop flying I can still manage the flight department until I decide to retire.



So, am I lucky, good or just in the wrong place at the wrong time? I have friends that fly for Fed Ex and they love their jobs and are making a very good salary. I could have gone to work for Fed Ex, but that is whole different subject (it’s called being stupid). I have friends that are very senior with American and they are always complaining.



My salary is equal to a senior SWA captain, I do have an average of 4-5 RONs a month and we are now starting to increase our international flying. As a matter of fact I leave this month on a around the world trip.



As far as fringe benefits we stay in Marriott’s or better, rental cars if we desire, no questions asked on food expenses and on long trips our spouses join us. (And yes, a week in St. Marrten does not suck!)



However, if I could have gone to work for United Airlines in 1972 and now be a senior B747-400 SFO based captain I don’t think I would have missed corporate aviation a bit.



But I’m not complaining. Its been a good life.
 
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GVFlyer said:
"You could talk your principal into selling that Global to the Chinese or local Maharaja (as appropriate to location of failure) and buying a Gulfstream for it's superior reliability," said GVFlyer while donning his flak jacket and steel pot.

GV


well...not really what I was talking about....but I can understand the confusion...Gulfstream demo pilots tend to be..well... a bit slow...

But really, I would fly either...but I dont get to make those choices....we looked at both GLEXs and GV's (bought 3)....unfortunalty the GV broke halfway around the world on a road show.... End of 145 mil dollar deal...

(speaking of $hit breaking....)

Buy a Global - they dont break. ever.

;) .
 
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Lead Sled said:
Or even better, take the money and use it to buy a Falcon 7X.
'Sled


7X....all I can say is I hope it does not perform like the rest of the Falcon line........

(ever use anti-ice in a Falcon while climbing through the 20's??)

stellar...

:D .
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
7X....all I can say is I hope it does not perform like the rest of the Falcon line........

(ever use anti-ice in a Falcon while climbing through the 20's??)

stellar...

:D .

As a matter of fact I have. Just did. The new PW engine ... (308 for the 2000 307 for the 7X) performs like a champ. We are still seeing over 1500fpm.
 
G100driver said:
As a matter of fact I have. Just did. The new PW engine ... (308 for the 2000 307 for the 7X) performs like a champ. We are still seeing over 1500fpm.


My favorite Dassault quote:

(with a thick frog accent)..

"We do with finesse what Gulfstream does with power"....

uh.. thanks Pierre - I'll take the power.

All Falcon dwells on is the short field takeoff. Thanks, I dont live on a grass strip....and I REALLY despise lumbering up to FL390 only to push air at mach .78...

but, hey, I did only use 1200ft on the takeoff roll....great.

I know, I know....every Falcon fan says the same thing...."you just dont know how to fly it".....I guess so...

:rolleyes: .

No seriously, I do fly one, and can appreciate the reliability and the simplicity....but the long range performance simply $ucks.

:D .
 
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Gulfstream 200 said:
... I can understand the confusion...Gulfstream demo pilots tend to be..well... a bit slow...

I agree, even the flight attendants say that the guys in Flight Test are the "smart ones."


Gulfstream 200 said:
But really, I would fly either...but I dont get to make those choices....we looked at both GLEXs and GV's (bought 3)....unfortunalty the GV broke halfway around the world on a road show.... End of 145 mil dollar deal...

Sounds like Sandy and Citigroup and his famed journey to the Far East.

GV
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
No seriously, I do fly one, and can appreciate the reliability and the simplicity....but the long range performance simply $ucks.

:D .

Which series are you flying now?

The PW powered falcons are not like the Garrets or Allisons. Try it, you will like it.
 
Cf

I like to dispose of do-do buckets from the lav when FBO's wont.

flying to the bahamas is nice too.
 
GVFlyer said:
I agree, even the flight attendants say that the guys in Flight Test are the "smart ones."




Sounds like Sandy and Citigroup and his famed journey to the Far East.

GV


close......

;) .
 
G100driver said:
Which series are you flying now?

The PW powered falcons are not like the Garrets or Allisons. Try it, you will like it.


I believe you.
We only take the 50/900's long range

The 2000's dont go over the water - No RAT. - hence no long range.
 

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