Why airlines should buy 777's over A340's

[Whale Rider]

While its bragging about how much it's beating Boeing, Airbus is initiating a GLOBAL inspection into wing cracks of it's A330-A340's................

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh69979_2005-01-12_15-12-37_l12142131_newsml

 

[xanderman]

While its bragging about how much its beating Boeing, Airbus is initiating a GLOBAL inspection into wing cracks of it A330-A340's................

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh69979_2005-01-12_15-12-37_l12142131_newsml

Maybe all the airlines should have stopped buying the 737 when they were having that rudder problem!? You do know it was a faulty design of the hydraulic actuator engineered by Boeing... C'mon!!!

 

[Whale Rider]

Another sellout...........what ashame.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Buy American!

If that's not reason enough.....Make the French cry!


Airbus never admits wrong doing. This must be a big problem they can't hide.

 

[xanderman]

Buy American!

If that's not reason enough.....Make the French cry!


Airbus never admits wrong doing. This must be a big problem they can't hide.

I must admit I don't care for the French. But I will say that I do like the Bus... And believe it or not I did grow up in Seattle and I do have family that works for Boeing.

I was just pointing out that no matter the manufacturer they will suffer engineering problems. Just how much of the Boeing a/c are made in America? It's all about the global economy now my friend.
Andy

 

[Guitar Guy]

Buy American!

If that's not reason enough.....Make the French cry!

Just food for thought, but do you realize that Airbus is made up of English, German and Spanish companies also?

And do you realize that Boeing sources parts from many countries around the world? Fuselage sections for some of their widebodies are made in Japan, for an example. And it's rather ironic that the CFM engines on the 737 are the product of a company that is a joint venture between GE and SNECMA, a French company.

And lest I be accused of being anti-Boeing, I was an engineer for Boeing for almost 6 years and I enjoyed my time there.

 

[cornbread]

True competition

Global economy is a fact of life. However, it is arguably unethical when airbus undercuts their prices to a level that no manufacturer (that is not underwritten by several govt. economies) can compete. The financial strain to accomplish these tactics can only be absorbed by a manufacturer that has several economies underwriting these low-ball prices. It is no different than the kid on the block who cannot fight without his brothers hiding behind the fence.

Being a patriot involves a great deal more than a sticker of Old Glory.

 

[bocefus]

I am a Boeing fan also, for a variety of reasons, primarily superior maintainability and superior control logic/philosophy. I have to admit that with Midway Atoll airport closing later this year, ETOPS airplanes are going to take a hit on Pacific routes, 4 engined aircraft will have a decided advantage.

 

[Whale Rider]

Imagine wing cracks on the A380 Super Charger Jumbo??... AI KAARUUMMBAA!!!

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Buy American!

I can't say anything else with my username. I guess I'm stuck.

One of my three vehicles is a toyota, but its assembled in TN.

 

[Eagleflip]

Uh huh. AD's come out every day. Check this one out from this week:

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=f9506765-a9b3-4843-aa78-2eefa9d04e14&Dynamic=1&Range=WEEK&FromDate=01%2F06%2F2005&ToDate=01%2F13%2F2005&Category=%2Findex.cfm

Dang. I hate it when the ball screw skew gets outta whack.

The moral of the story? ALL aircraft have cracks, dents, broken parts, and revised engineering. Airbus, Boeing, Embrarerereers, you name it. It's part of the game. Does it mean that the product is inferior? No.

Would I prefer for the world to purchase an American product? Yes.

Yet competition brings out--with some pain--the best in products.

 

[typhoonpilot]

Working for an airline that operates both types and has additional orders for both types I have a little insight on this topic. Watch very carefully what both Emirates and Singapore do over the next year or two in regards to firming up options and/or placing additional orders for Boeing 777s versus the possible cancellation of orders for the Airbus 340. Head to head the 777 destroys the 340 in almost all aspects except purchase price. While it wouldn't be prudent to post how much money we lose per week on our A340-500 service to JFK, it is known that the 777-300ER will take it over when they arrive and is projected to be profitable on the route. On a typical long range mission the 777 will do it 30 minutes faster and carry 10,000+ lbs. more payload while burning 20,000 fewer lbs. of fuel. On a daily basis that adds up to big savings over the initial purchase price difference. These economics are what make the 777 a superior aircraft.

In a recent Flight International article on the subject, Tim Clark, the President of Emirates pretty much said that we are reevaluating the 777-200LR as a possible fleet type. Reading between the lines, what it really says is the A340-500 is a piece of junk and we will most likely opt for the 777-200LR over any additional A340-500s. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see our 20 aircraft order for the A340-600 silently disappear and be replaced by additonal 777-300ERs. You will very likely see a similar situation at Singapore where it is well known they are not happy with the A340-500 and will probably get 777-200LRs to replace it. They are also replacing a majority of their 747-400s with the 777-300ER over the next few years.


Typhoonpilot

 

[B6Busdriver]

Imagine wing cracks on the A380 Super Charger Jumbo??... AI KAARUUMMBAA!!!

Imagine a rudder hardover in a 737 happening so fast you are nose down 90 degrees at 4000 feet. The FAA said later the 737 should have NEVER been certified with the current rudder system. Anything made by man isn't perfect and will break sooner or later.

 

[Whale Rider]

Uh huh. AD's come out every day. Check this one out from this week:

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=f9506765-a9b3-4843-aa78-2eefa9d04e14&Dynamic=1&Range=WEEK&FromDate=01%2F06%2F2005&ToDate=01%2F13%2F2005&Category=%2Findex.cfm

Dang. I hate it when the ball screw skew gets outta whack.

The moral of the story? ALL aircraft have cracks, dents, broken parts, and revised engineering. Airbus, Boeing, Embrarerereers, you name it. It's part of the game. Does it mean that the product is inferior? No.

Would I prefer for the world to purchase an American product? Yes.

Yet competition brings out--with some pain--the best in products.

Wow! What aircraft have you been flying??? Cracks??? Dents??? Broken Parts??? Nice pre-flight.

 

[Whale Rider]

Imagine a rudder hardover in a 737 happening so fast you are nose down 90 degrees at 4000 feet. The FAA said later the 737 should have NEVER been certified with the current rudder system. Anything made by man isn't perfect and will break sooner or later.

Well its not like the 737 crashed into a forest tree line in front of a crowd of Airshow Spectators???? Good thing they tested the A320 there before putting paying pax onboard.

 

[General Lee]

And, atleast the Boeing doesn't call you a "retard" before you try to land like the Airbus does. Those French people really must think we are stupid....... Stupid is as stupid does..?



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ivauir]

The FAA said later the 737 should have NEVER been certified with the current rudder system.

Post a link to that quote. Oh you cannot find it ... because they never said it. Stop spouting absolute BS dude.

 

[CatYaaak]

Well its not like the 737 crashed into a forest tree line in front of a crowd of Airshow Spectators????.

Ah yes, the A-320 "Chainsaw" (STILL one of the best aircraft nicknames around)

 

[CatYaaak]

Working for an airline that operates both types and has additional orders for both types I have a little insight on this topic. Watch very carefully what both Emirates and Singapore do over the next year or two in regards to firming up options and/or placing additional orders for Boeing 777s versus the possible cancellation of orders for the Airbus 340. Head to head the 777 destroys the 340 in almost all aspects except purchase price. While it wouldn't be prudent to post how much money we lose per week on our A340-500 service to JFK, it is known that the 777-300ER will take it over when they arrive and is projected to be profitable on the route. On a typical long range mission the 777 will do it 30 minutes faster and carry 10,000+ lbs. more payload while burning 20,000 fewer lbs. of fuel. On a daily basis that adds up to big savings over the initial purchase price difference. These economics are what make the 777 a superior aircraft.

In a recent Flight International article on the subject, Tim Clark, the President of Emirates pretty much said that we are reevaluating the 777-200LR as a possible fleet type. Reading between the lines, what it really says is the A340-500 is a piece of junk and we will most likely opt for the 777-200LR over any additional A340-500s. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see our 20 aircraft order for the A340-600 silently disappear and be replaced by additonal 777-300ERs. You will very likely see a similar situation at Singapore where it is well known they are not happy with the A340-500 and will probably get 777-200LRs to replace it. They are also replacing a majority of their 747-400s with the 777-300ER over the next few years.


Typhoonpilot

In other words; 777s rock, and the -340 is a gutless turd.

 

[Ligeirinho]

the good one was MD11 but because was so good and never breakes boeing just finish them otherwise would never make money with parts.
But remeber the Comets? They use to desintegrate in flight because of the craks on pax windows that were square shaped and remeber the L188 Electra 2's they also use to desintegrate in flight becuase the resonaince on the engines later VARIG a Brazilian major airline and one of the world legacy carriers developed a prop unsyncronizer for them and flew them event fre for more than 25 years on international across Atlantic and lately on the third biggest shuttle service in the world Rio - Sao Paulo.
Resuming all airplanes do have, craks, dents, broken parts etc. and mechanic fix them engineers try to improve them and management try to make them cheaper and by the end we fly them anyway and FAA does know the true and doesn't care as far as they keeping depositing the extra money for them and giving them free tickets to fly all over with their families.
It is all a corrupt system if don't like it vote against the two party system on next elections and elect someone out of the corruption box that both parties are now.
Idependent is the way....