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This was copied from the New York Post Online Edition. It says a lot about the state of our industry. I guess you get what you pay for in terms of employees...


October 24, 2004
-- TRUE story. This New Yorker is a retired CEO. Rich. Park Avenue penthouse. Lon don town house. Palm Beach winter house. And assorted other joints he calls home.

He's flying Heathrow to JFK. Commercial aircraft. First class. He says, "The reason to fly first class is to avoid stress."

He's traveling with two permitted carry-ons plus one regulation suitcase that he's checking. Everything nice, neat, asking no favors, all according to Hoyle, right?

Wrong.

The ticket agent announces, "Your suitcase is too heavy."

He responds, "But it's just a regular suitcase. I've used it often before. Nothing outsize, nothing specially made. Just your routine bag."

"Too heavy."

The differential was something like 5 kilos. He was approximately 5 kilos over the limit.

"I'm sorry. I wasn't aware," he said. "So do I pay for this overage in cash or is a credit card alright?"

"You can't pay for it. We are not accepting this suitcase. We are not taking you if you take this suitcase. It is 5 kilos over the limit."

"What limit? Who knew about this limit? I didn't know there was this limit. I've flown with the same suitcase over and over. What limit are you talking about? When did this limit go into effect? It's a new ruling?"

"Not new. It's been in effect a month."

"A month? Nobody told me about this thing. I didn't know. There's been no information on it anywhere. You can't just arbitrarily decide a limit without informing travelers. If this is some new ruling, I won't do it again next time. But I'm here now, and I have this thing, so I'll pay whatever the surcharge is."

Her voice raised an octave. "I already told you, you cannot pay. That's our ruling. And we are not taking this suitcase."

His voice raises an octave. "But I'm already here. And I didn't know. A long line's behind me. I have to make the plane. Your first class is not full, so amortize my extra 5 kilos among the empty seats."

"You are becoming rude," she snaps.

"Look, I'm not rude. But this isn't the moment for any philosophical discussion with you. I just want to make my plane and since I don't know what to do, I have to ask you to help me find an answer to this."

Adhering to some textbook version of complaints-dealing-with-customers, she repeats, "You are becoming rude."

She walks away from the counter and refuses to check him in. A colleague confirms she's upset. The supervisor arrives and reinforces the ticket agent's statements while telling the gentleman this situation is now basically his to work out.

Realizing he's facing an implacable foe — underpaid, overworked, ill-appreciated with nobody but customers to take it out on — he says, "What would you suggest I do with its contents now? I don't mean to be argumentative, but what is there for me to do?"

"That is not our problem," he is told.

He then opens the suitcase right at the counter. Socks, undershorts tumble out. This respected, respectable gentleman, who in other circumstances would be commanding respect, is stuffing laundry and pajamas into his carry-on cases. They're full to bursting. They won't take anymore.

He finally gets a third carry-on bag and, as the world stands there staring, squats down jamming shoes and ties into it. Panting and sweating he goes back to the agent. She says, "The rule is two carry-ons. You're not allowed a third."

Passengers in parallel lines are now snickering to one another: "So who is this ass?"

Monitoring the Kafkaesque proceeding, a polite Pakistani dredged up from his own luggage a larger-size carry-on duffel and offered it. The American repacked his now-rumpled, disarranged belongings on the floor in view of everyone and stuffed them into the duffel. Stumbling under its size and weight, he lumbered laboriously into the jetway carrying exactly the same weight he'd taken out of his suitcase.

Then, just before boarding the plane, he was taken out of line for a body search.

This was American Airlines. Yesterday, American Airlines announced it's having serious difficulties. Yeah, no kidding.
 
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Yeah, its an inconvenient to the passenger, but from the operational side, its about time that some one stepped up and tried to control the weight some people are trying to bring on board the aircraft. 5 kilos (what is that, about 12 pounds?) multiplied by several hundred bags starts to have a compounding effect. As I walk around the aircraft, I am amazed at some of the "standard weight" bags that I see coming off and going on.

True, the airline should make a point of trying to contact current ticket holders when such a change goes into effect, and they should publish it far and wide, but it is a policy that is long over due. I will also grant that this particular instance was handled poorly. But just last week, wasn't there an article discussing how increasing passenger weights are costing the airline extra money? Excess baggage weight must have the same effect. About 2 years ago, wasn't there a bit of an incident that was determined to be related to the aircraft being excessively heavy?
Like it or not, controlling the weight placed aboard an aircraft has a direct impact on the safety of the flight. Safety of flight trumps customer service as accidents, death and destruction tend to ultimately have a negative impact on public perception of your operation.

Bottom line, its a good policy, the PR and CS types need to do thier job and make sure it is communicated to the public in a timely, polite manner.
 
Get a clue, Dufus. That guy pays your paycheck. You probably sit there in your RJ and wonder why your passengers are in flip-flops and why you don;t have a job at mainline to flow to . . . . .

It's because the people like that man have taken their dollars elsewhere, where people still provide service- to the private jets operators. Why do you think there are so many fractional jet customers now? It's because of stupid crap like this. If they just want a cheap seat, they might as well go to AirTran or SWA. What does American have to offer, if not service!

That gate agent should have been counseled, if not fired, in my opinion. And if you don;t understand why, you're part of the problem, not the solution. This is a people business . . . . period.
 
This was American Airlines. Yesterday, American Airlines announced it's having serious difficulties. Yeah, no kidding.[/QUOTE]
I'd be curious to hear the real story. I don't think the agent would just arbitrarily come right out and tell him he's being rude, out of the blue, with his "i'm a nice guy" tone depicted in the article. You all know how the papers and the media stretch the truth. I'll bet this involved a lot more than meets the eye.

That being said, I've never heard of a new rule declining pax bags on an a/c because they're too heavy. I do know that I paid a $50 charge three weeks ago while nonreving to Europe because my bag was over the limit.
 
Ty Webb said:
Get a clue, Dufus. That guy pays your paycheck. You probably sit there in your RJ and wonder why your passengers are in flip-flops and why you don;t have a job at mainline to flow to . . . . .
Re-read for comprehension, genius. I supported the fact that this particular case was handled poorly. That does not make weight limit policy on bags a bad one. I am not devoid of sympathy, I just don't think that this little melodrama deserved a spot in a major newspaper. I don't really care much what passengers wear, and I fly an RJ because it was the best paying job available to me at the time I applied. I make the best of it and keep working for something better. Not all of us burst forth from the womb into the left seat of a wide-body, nor does everyone make it to the "big show". Do you really want to get further into personal issues or stick to the topic at hand?

It's because the people like that man have taken their dollars elsewhere, where people still provide service- to the private jets operators. Why do you think there are so many fractional jet customers now? It's because of stupid crap like this. If they just want a cheap seat, they might as well go to AirTran or SWA. What does American have to offer, if not service!
People like this man are few and far between. They are as important as any other customer, but any good business must look at where the majority of its revenue comes from. These days, full fare tickets are rarer and rarer. Treat these people well, as they are the highest yielding, but do not expend an inordinate amound of resources on them. As for Airtran or SWA, when they have the number of destinations (Heathrow included, again, re-read the article) then I will listen to that argument. If you want to go from point A to B, with the fewest number of stops and connections, then the network carriers are still the way to go. That is what I believe this passenger paid for.

That gate agent should have been counseled, if not fired, in my opinion. And if you don;t understand why, you're part of the problem, not the solution. This is a people business . . . . period.
See my first statement. Yes the gate agent should be counseled. No they should not be fired unless they have a history of such behavior. No it is not a bad policy and should not be changed. If you cannot understand that, then you, sir, are a prime example of the problem. We are in a customer service business, but it must be uniform service. To do any less would make it unreliable from one point to another, and therefore, a lesser level of service. We give a service to the customer. That is not begging, sucking up, or yielding to thier every whim or anything like it. One is respectable, the other is pathetic. I know which side I stand on.
 
Back when I flew Lears for a rich man, he would have us fly him to Dallas when he needed to go to Europe. At DFW, he boarded Speedbird because he prefered their service over AA's. This was during the 90's, well before any problems we see now raised their head.

I wish that it wasn't so. I'm still rooting for recovery for our industry, but it is true that our level of service (across the board for American carriers) is not up to par. The only answer if for a true leader to rise up at AA, and respectively at the other legacies. The poor customer service people have little reason to act nice, and lots of reasons to be surly. Not until they get a leader who cares about them as people and knows how to articute that feeling, will the service get better.

I personally witnessed behavior the last time I jumpseated on AA, that I believe will lead directly to them losing a customer. If I had been the customer, I'd be writting straight to the CEO. But I was just a non-rev, so I just stood there and kept my mouth shut. Had I witnessed such treatment at my own carriers counter, I'd have gone straight to the station manager. I'm not saying more, I need AA to get to work and I dang sure don't want to tick em off. I sincerely hope that they, DL, etc recover.

regards,
enigma
 
Jetblue, Southwest, and AirTran have succeeded not just because of low fares, but because they have alientated 10 years worth of clients just as this posted alluded.

Yes...overweight bags are bad. Yes...this guy might have done something to irk the agent first. However, I've seen first hand the "'tudes" out there at some gates and if I were at some of those companies I'd be embarrassed. If you want to see a great example of compare/contrast...try both sides of the C concorse at Atlanta.
 
Birddog said:
Yeah, its an inconvenient to the passenger, but from the operational side, its about time that some one stepped up and tried to control the weight some people are trying to bring on board the aircraft. 5 kilos (what is that, about 12 pounds?) multiplied by several hundred bags starts to have a compounding effect. As I walk around the aircraft, I am amazed at some of the "standard weight" bags that I see coming off and going on.

True, the airline should make a point of trying to contact current ticket holders when such a change goes into effect, and they should publish it far and wide, but it is a policy that is long over due. I will also grant that this particular instance was handled poorly. But just last week, wasn't there an article discussing how increasing passenger weights are costing the airline extra money? Excess baggage weight must have the same effect. About 2 years ago, wasn't there a bit of an incident that was determined to be related to the aircraft being excessively heavy?
Like it or not, controlling the weight placed aboard an aircraft has a direct impact on the safety of the flight. Safety of flight trumps customer service as accidents, death and destruction tend to ultimately have a negative impact on public perception of your operation.

Bottom line, its a good policy, the PR and CS types need to do thier job and make sure it is communicated to the public in a timely, polite manner.

Birddog,

Seems to me that this homeboy brought on board the exact same weight he was originally bringing on board...He just had to jump through hoops and disperse it among several other bags. Not sure what the airline gained. Pretty sure what they lost though. Maybe this is an issue about the baggage handlers work environment. Seems to me the aircraft gross weight didn't change a bit.

on another note, my wife wanted to fly home to her parents and take her cat as a carry-on in a FAA approved pet carry-on bag. A certain major out there charges $80 each way for a carry-on that has a small 7lb animal in it. I don't understand that one either. I told her to just set it free.

Get some,

Vince
 
I dread like a son of a bitch having to go to the airport to get on a commercial airliner anymore, a white man gets treated like a piece of dirt.

Gonna fly freight the rest of my life and stay as far away from passenger airlines as I can.
 
Vince Neil said:
Birddog,

Seems to me that this homeboy brought on board the exact same weight he was originally bringing on board...He just had to jump through hoops and disperse it among several other bags. Not sure what the airline gained. Pretty sure what they lost though. Maybe this is an issue about the baggage handlers work environment. Seems to me the aircraft gross weight didn't change a bit.

on another note, my wife wanted to fly home to her parents and take her cat as a carry-on in a FAA approved pet carry-on bag. A certain major out there charges $80 each way for a carry-on that has a small 7lb animal in it. I don't understand that one either. I told her to just set it free.

Get some,

Vince
I agree that the policy was poorly executed in this case. I think the intent was to get passengers to distribute the weight among more checked bags, thereby giving the average bag weight more value. I doubt the intent was too force everything into one, heavy carry on bag. If the agent had taken the time to explain this. We would not be having this discussion
 
Vince, I thought that home video with Pamela was a hoot. Was Tommy mad for long?
 
Ty,

It all comes down to "Give Em the Pickle." Some airlines and csr's will never get it (the concept that is!)
 
RideTheWind said:
I dread like a son of a bitch having to go to the airport to get on a commercial airliner anymore, a white man gets treated like a piece of dirt.

Gonna fly freight the rest of my life and stay as far away from passenger airlines as I can.
Ooh, I second the motion your staying with freight, this way no one will really know what a racist A$$ you are!!!!

WD.
 
AlbieF15 said:
Vince, I thought that home video with Pamela was a hoot. Was Tommy mad for long?
Well, I wouldn't count on a reunion tour anytime soon.

Vince
 
Customer service is a joke in many industries these days.

Any company that figures out how to get their employees to treat customers like customers will make a lot of money.

That said, many customers these days are arrogant sob's.
 
Customer service is a two edged sword. It can make and break you at the same time. I hear people whine about it continually, but no one can provide a good definition of what it is. I have read and been taught about meeting and exceeding the customers expectations, providing a good product, the customer is always right, and other BS. The fact is, too many customers have unrealistic expectations. Pick an industry, any industry, and it is rampant. A friend of mine works for a home builder in the area. The stories he tells me make many airports seem tame by comparison. Customer service comes down to the interations between the front line people and the customer. It has been discussed to death that people have gotten more selfish, more arrogant, more prideful, less respectful, and less responsible. The front line people get battered by unmeetable expectations from many of these people every day. This provides a huge disincentive to try for even the attainable requests. Management can sit in thier board rooms and preach about focusing on the customer, but until the other half of the equation is address, it is like being a eunuch in a whorehouse. We shouldn't promise the customer the sun, moon, and stars, then refer them to the fine print on the back of the ticket when we don't deliver. The industry as a whole has a responsibility to educate the consumer on what they can realistically expect. Leading people to believe anything else, aside from being dishonest, sets up the front line workers for problems and ultimately failure.


D@mn I had soap boxes, but some times the complaining makes me want to smack some sense in to some people......
 
"Customer service is a two edged sword. It can make and break you at the same time. I hear people whine about it continually, but no one can provide a good definition of what it is. I have read and been taught about meeting and exceeding the customers expectations, providing a good product, the customer is always right, and other BS. The fact is, too many customers have unrealistic expectations. Pick an industry, any industry, and it is rampant. A friend of mine works for a home builder in the area. The stories he tells me make many airports seem tame by comparison. Customer service comes down to the interations between the front line people and the customer. It has been discussed to death that people have gotten more selfish, more arrogant, more prideful, less respectful, and less responsible. The front line people get battered by unmeetable expectations from many of these people every day. This provides a huge disincentive to try for even the attainable requests. Management can sit in thier board rooms and preach about focusing on the customer, but until the other half of the equation is address, it is like being a eunuch in a whorehouse. We shouldn't promise the customer the sun, moon, and stars, then refer them to the fine print on the back of the ticket when we don't deliver. The industry as a whole has a responsibility to educate the consumer on what they can realistically expect. Leading people to believe anything else, aside from being dishonest, sets up the front line workers for problems and ultimately failure."

I agree with you 110%.....That being said, I would have sympathy for the man if he wasn't a CEO
 
Seems like this is the only way the industry has gone since it's conception.
 
Wiskey Driver said:
Ooh, I second the motion your staying with freight, this way no one will really know what a racist A$$ you are!!!!

WD.
Dude, I thought Wiskey Driver was white.
Anyway I'm not racist, some of them black chicks are hot too.
 

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