Who's door can I beat down.....

[OUPilot]

Not to sound like a wise guy, but you can flight instruct and pay your dues just like everyone else. (Don't take that the wrong way)

 

[mcjohn]

I enjoy flight instructing even though it's rough a times. I just need to be busier. Problem is I need to move to another town to work at a busier school and that means selling my house etc... I'll probably shoot a resume to MAPD since they offer benefits and great upgrade to the BE-58 but I'm also looking into banners again. I heard of a place that does 2 weeks on of traveling around the S.E. towing banners and then 2 weeks off. That would be ideal and my wife could stay back home at the house. Sounds like it would be a situation to log X-C.

OUPilot, I understand about payin the dues and I am. I've been CFiing for over a year now but I havn't even reached 200 hours dual given.

Refuge Pilot, PM coming your way. Thanks.

Bringupthebird, loyalty and longevity is exactly what I have to offer. I aim to build a solid resume and that involves staying with a company for a while and hopefully getting involved in training for that company. As far as whoring myself out, I'm doing that right now by wearing my 3 stripe epaulette uniform and running an office and selling pilot supplies for free. They can't make me do it of course but who ever is here is the one who gets the rare student that walks in the door.
Padding the log book?! 3+ years of flying and I only have 500 hrs. No padding here!

Thanks Nolife, I'm going to be looking into all that and RefugePilot suggested the same.

Anyone have more advice? I'll take all I can get!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

OUPilot, I understand about payin the dues and I am. I've been CFiing for over a year now but I havn't even reached 200 hours dual given.

WOW.

Averaged out, that's less than 17 hrs. a month. You should be getting at least that a week.

 

[mcjohn]

I think GTA out of Lancaster TX does the VFR 135 thing....haven't heard a ton of great stuff about the operation though.

What kind of bad things have you heard? I can't stomach working for a shady operation. That's not the way I want to pay my dues.

 

[mcjohn]

WOW.

Averaged out, that's less than 17 hrs. a month. You should be getting at least that a week.

Yeah, no sh!t right? People tend to think that I'm all about skipping over paying dues and stuff but I think it's clear where my desperation stems from.
It's a shame because I'm a darn good instructor (according to my students.)
Please help.

 

[time builder]

FO programs can be an alternative, if you're airline ready, work hard, and have the money. 600 to 700 hours with one or two hundred turbine hours can open up alot of interview opportunities as an FO. I've seen a pretty high percentage of them get interviews in that range.

 

[mcjohn]

I don't have the money because I've already spent 40g's to get where I am now. My biggest fear of FO programs is that I'd be lumped in with either rich trust fund types or old misable farts trying to go for that final career change. And then I'd probably get sucked into working for them and training those same types. It is important to me to work for a reputable company along side good people. Flying's fun but who I share the cockpit with is important.

 

[belchfire]

I don't have the money because I've already spent 40g's to get where I am now. My biggest fear of FO programs is that I'd be lumped in with either rich trust fund types or old misable farts trying to go for that final career change. And then I'd probably get sucked into working for them and training those same types. It is important to me to work for a reputable company along side good people. Flying's fun but who I share the cockpit with is more important.

Watch the old farts comments. They will be your instructors
when you get somewhere worth being. I know that as a
highly qualified CFI you have all the answers. I gaurandamm
tee you that you don't know all the questions.

In fact McJohnson, with an attitude like that you're going to
end up staying after class washing my car, empting buttcans,
taking my Miller Lite cans to the rec center and bringing me
the change...

and you may still bust indoc!

FNG's...OMG!!!

 

[mcjohn]

Watch the old farts comments. They will be your instructors
when you get somewhere worth being.

Old "miserable" farts. Miserable was the key word. Age means nothing to me. Why would it? Sorry to offend you.

I know that as a highly qualified CFI you have all the answers. I gaurandamm
tee you that you don't know all the questions.

I'm only a CFI. Not CFII or MEI. Not highly qualified.

In fact McJohnson, with an attitude like that you're going to
end up staying after class washing my car, empting buttcans,
taking my Miller Lite cans to the rec center and bringing me
the change...

Doh! Whoa.....I seriously hope you don't hire me if that's the case. However, that was pretty freakin hilarious.

and you may still bust indoc!

FNG's...OMG!!

Relax. Sorry about the "age" misunderstanding.

 

[belchfire]

Glad you the humor in it! Many don't!

 

[CX880]

Since you have a wife and it sounds like you are desperate to jump start a career, why don't you just go for the PACE program at Mesa PD? It's only like 10-15K depending on how good you are. You have your CFI time and are paying your dues, it's not like you're a 250 hour guy looking for the fast way in.

 

[mcjohn]

I will only pay for more advanced ratings (CFII and MEI and I'd rather not pay much for those.) Nor will I pay for an ATP or any type ratings. Doesn't make sense to pay for all that FO training. Flying as a true professional/stick is what I care about. I'm craving tailwheel right now and I may pursue that for a little while just to get my fix and a little $$ (banners). If I get stuck flying single pilot cargo runs I see it as a blessing. I WILL be in demand one day. (I hopeimp: )

 

[belchfire]

I will only pay for more advanced ratings (CFII and MEI and I'd rather not pay much for those.) Nor will I pay for an ATP or any type ratings. Doesn't make sense to pay for all that FO training. Flying as a true professional/stick is what I care about. I'm craving tailwheel right now and I may pursue that for a little while just to get my fix and a little $$ (banners). If I get stuck flying single pilot cargo runs I see it as a blessing. I WILL be in demand one day. (I hopeimp: )

Start saving to take your ATP written. I don't know anyone that will pay for
that.

If you have enough cross country time to meet
135 mins take a look at towing banners
this summer out at MYR...lot of time Quick,
but no x/c.

I don't know the mins, but you might try one
of the flight tour operators out of the Kitty Hawk
NC area or a jump school...

We all want to be
"in demand"
one day.

Good luck. More likely you will be on demand...
just the way of the economy right now.

 

[mcjohn]

Good luck. More likely you will be on demand...
just the way of the economy right now.

On demand.

Regarding the Conway, S.C. banner operation, the season has already begun and you have to time it right. Too late now. Also, it costs about $3500-4000 to train (50 hour TW program.) I'm looking at a place in Florida for banner training that doesn't make you pay. I may go that route. It would also have X-C flying.

I'm not familiar with the Kitty Hawk tour operator. I'll look into it. Thanks.

 

[belchfire]

Aw heck, I don't ever remeber anyone doing PFT
to tow banners. That's Bullus Sheitus Maximus!

 

[mcjohn]

Yep. You have to pay to play on that one pretty much everywhere. If not you definetly will have a training contract. I've researched it thoroughly. Every now and then someone may slip into the training for free but think about it. Do you think anyone is capable of just picking it up on their own in a minimal amount of time. It isn't easy and it does take a lot of practice. That's why the main Myrtle operation makes you complete a 50 hour program. They are good (down home) folks that run the business. Many who have gone through the program only say good things about them. And I've talked to them on the phone a good while and they are very honest about why they make you pay to train. Pilots fly for one season and build 800+ hours and they're gone. The only way to ensure that the newbies don't go hurt or kill themselves is to go through a rigorous training program and supposedly a good bit wash out. Quite dangerous. I perused the NTSB banner towing accidents and there are plenty. However, it is something I want to learn. I'd rather flight instruct full time because I already do that well. But still, it's on my list of things to accomplish and tail wheel flying is something I want to master. So, if my boy Micheal will hurry up and hook me up with a place to stay in S. FL. etc.. I'm going.

Man, it's late and I think I have diarrhea of the keyboard. Good night.

 

[27 driver]

I enjoy flight instructing even though it's rough a times. I just need to be busier. Problem is I need to move to another town to work at a busier school and that means selling my house etc... I'll probably shoot a resume to MAPD since they offer benefits and great upgrade to the BE-58 but I'm also looking into banners again. I heard of a place that does 2 weeks on of traveling around the S.E. towing banners and then 2 weeks off. That would be ideal and my wife could stay back home at the house. Sounds like it would be a situation to log X-C.

OUPilot, I understand about payin the dues and I am. I've been CFiing for over a year now but I havn't even reached 200 hours dual given.

Refuge Pilot, PM coming your way. Thanks.

Bringupthebird, loyalty and longevity is exactly what I have to offer. I aim to build a solid resume and that involves staying with a company for a while and hopefully getting involved in training for that company. As far as whoring myself out, I'm doing that right now by wearing my 3 stripe epaulette uniform and running an office and selling pilot supplies for free. They can't make me do it of course but who ever is here is the one who gets the rare student that walks in the door.
Padding the log book?! 3+ years of flying and I only have 500 hrs. No padding here!

Thanks Nolife, I'm going to be looking into all that and RefugePilot suggested the same.

Anyone have more advice? I'll take all I can get!

Dude, all the commuters are hiring. Continental Express, Mesa, Pinnacle, etc. I think they hire with very minimal time. They don't pay anything but they offer benefits. Keep updating your resume and things will fall into place. This is a tough field to break in to. Expect many years of crappy jobs to build your hours. I have 3 words for you NETWORK - NETWORK - NETWORK!!!!!!!! Get out there and meet everyone you can. In this business it is not what you know but who you know.

 

[mcjohn]

Dude, all the commuters are hiring. Continental Express, Mesa, Pinnacle, etc. I think they hire with very minimal time. They don't pay anything but they offer benefits. Keep updating your resume and things will fall into place. This is a tough field to break in to. Expect many years of crappy jobs to build your hours. I have 3 words for you NETWORK - NETWORK - NETWORK!!!!!!!! Get out there and meet everyone you can. In this business it is not what you know but who you know.

Yeah, I know. Everything with all those commuters is so crazy right now. Therefore, I've been in no rush to begin the applications with them. I kind of want to wait and see how it all settles out in a few years. Then pick the best or most ideal company "if" I decide to go that route while I'm sitting on a few thousand hours.

Also, I only have 12 hours of multi. and because of that I may get hired by a very unstable company that makes me miserable. I guess that seems a little paranoid and all, but I want to work for someone I intend to stay with for a while and upgrade well with.

Also, I know there are skills that I'm lacking as of now. Freight Doggin it or on-demand charter would polish my skills right up to where I want them.

My biggest challenge. Getting the 135 IFR mins and/or apply (beat the doors down) to the 135 operators that may take a FO at super low time like I have.
I'm working on it.

Thanks for the input 27 driver.

 

[timeoff]

You need to move. I think your current situation will wear you down and force you right out of the biz.

Towing banners sounds cool and all (no students and quick time), but I know a guy right now that is towing banners in FL that is working on his CFI so he can get the 135 mins. That is where you will run into a problem towing banners. Day, VFR and flying out of the same field 99% of the time.

There are busier schools out there. I would recommend come on down to FL and put in another 9 months instructing and you will be ready for the next step. CFI jobs are a dime a dozen down here.

 

[belchfire]

Maybe there is somewhere nearby that
you can get a traffic watch gig with...

I did a little banner towing years ago...
yeah, it can be interesting...