Who's door can I beat down.....

[mcjohn]

There's an outfit called a i r t a h o m a in Columbus. They'll abuse the holy living daylights out of you. They'll also hire you. Why, because as the owner will tell you, "you are just there to fill a seat and meet an FAR". I hope you aren't this desperate.

I'm not desperate! You're a desperate MF. Ahh...flightinfo.

 

[time builder]

If you're interested in flying the Canyon, it helps to already be living in Vegas. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to relocate to Vegas first, get yourself established and then apply for jobs. Preference is typically given to locals.

Vision has a PFT program for low time pilots flying a Dornier, (not trying to be flame bait, just informing), Scenic might be a little slow hiring for a while where they're losing their 1900's, King will probably hire a couple 500+ hour C206 captains soon (helps if you don't smoke, and are under 200lbs).

GCA is another option for those who don't mind being based out of Boulder or Canyon International. They just got bought out by Papillion Helicopters, so we'll see what happens to their operation.

 

[mcjohn]

So far the only operator in the western U.S. that I've considered is Ameriflight in Burbank. Only because I have some family in L.A.

I went to an ACC interview and fell apart on the sim so I know I need to get started on some serious proficiency. I have absolutely no funds so I can't buy any instrument or night flying. I'm in western North Carolina near Charlotte and wondering how I can get some SIC flying that'll help me with becoming proficient and more confident again. Flying the banners definetly hurt my IFR readiness. I'd love to meet the IFR mins ASAP but I still need about 70 night and 200 more total time. Oh and I only have 12 multi. Bumping around in my brain today is Ram Air, Mountain Air Cargo, and Airnet.
Any ideas?

 

[Steve]

So far the only operator in the western U.S. that I've considered is Ameriflight in Burbank. Only because I have some family in L.A.

I went to an ACC interview and fell apart on the sim so I know I need to get started on some serious proficiency. I have absolutely no funds so I can't buy any instrument or night flying. I'm in western North Carolina near Charlotte and wondering how I can get some SIC flying that'll help me with becoming proficient and more confident again. Flying the banners definetly hurt my IFR readiness. I'd love to meet the IFR mins ASAP but I still need about 70 night and 200 more total time. Oh and I only have 12 multi. Bumping around in my brain today is Ram Air, Mountain Air Cargo, and Airnet.
Any ideas?

CFI. Thats what I did and I was able to meet the 135 mins when I had 1200 hours and then some

 

[ratherbeflyen]

If you can get hired at Ameriflight as a cfi take that. A guy I work with now got hired there and was flying the 99 as soon as he got 500 hours. He had to decide if he wanted the metro upgrade or take the airline job when he had 1200. You got to know your instruments though. A different friend of mine blew that job interview on the sim.

 

[time builder]

MS Flight simulator 2004: $30. Get a good joystick and rudder pedals to go with it. Do approaches with all the procedure turns, holds, DME arcs etc, and hold yourself to ATP standards. Do all your checklists and challenge yourself (simulate emergencies etc). And, as my CFII would say, talk to someone while you're doing it, even if its your goldfish, you should be so on top of your game that you can carry on a conversation while you're doing it. It won't show anything on your resume, but it'll help keep your scan sharp for your next interview.

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

ratherbeflyen; love your avatar.

 

[Princedietrich]

So far the only operator in the western U.S. that I've considered is Ameriflight in Burbank. Only because I have some family in L.A.

I went to an ACC interview and fell apart on the sim so I know I need to get started on some serious proficiency. I have absolutely no funds so I can't buy any instrument or night flying. I'm in western North Carolina near Charlotte and wondering how I can get some SIC flying that'll help me with becoming proficient and more confident again. Flying the banners definetly hurt my IFR readiness. I'd love to meet the IFR mins ASAP but I still need about 70 night and 200 more total time. Oh and I only have 12 multi. Bumping around in my brain today is Ram Air, Mountain Air Cargo, and Airnet.
Any ideas?

With your total time, you're right at the level (if not, pretty darn close) to the mins for the SIC program at Airnet. Last I'd heard, which was about 3 weeks ago, they were taking SIC trainees around 850-900. There's no minimum ME time requirement, you just have to have the multi rating. The pay is about 8 bucks an hour for SIC and depending on the route you get you'd be living on ramen bricks or actually pulling in good cash. Full bennies too, which will make the wife happy. Once you hit the magic 135 numbers you upgrade to PIC in the BE58 and get a route of your own (plus training in the PA31 or C208 if necessary) and the pay bumps up to 11 and change per hour. A year later and you're in the lear.

The drawback is that the training program can be a tad brutal if your instrument skills aren't very sharp. The freight dawg lifestyle can also be a little harsh, but I guarantee your piloting abilities will be more top notch than you could imagine just so long as you don't mind working the graveyard shift. You may also have to do a drastic relocation depending on route availability at time of hire, but the company will work with you and reimburse moving expenses.

My advice is to throw in an application, no harm in at least getting your name in there right? If you want to go the Starchecker route I'd suggest getting those IFR skills up, at the very least get the BAIF scan refined. Make friends with someone that's got a Frasca 142, or maybe even borrow someone's copy of MS FlightSim. It's not real flying, I know, but if you can get the instrument scan nailed the flying part is cake.

Hope that helps.

 

[RefugePilot]

Banner tow to AMF

The training at ameriflight is very demanding. I know of no one that was not challenged by it. I am talking former miltary pilots, people with lots of multi, and someone with plenty of Cheiftan time. Everyone struggled with the flying portion of training.

The people that had the hardest time were the ones who were most recently traffic watch pilots, some did not make it through training. I imagine your lack of IFR recency will make it impossible to pass any interview or training. MS flight sim or X-plane will go a long way towards getting you up to speed. With your multi time so low, and being so out of currency, you have a long road to get on with Ameriflight.

Sounds like Airnets SIC could be a good option for you. Or get 1150 hours and look at flight express. Both of those will start you out in a single, so your multi time is not important.

Good luck

 

[RefugePilot]

If you really let someone convince you of that you were gonna be disappointed no matter what!

PIPE

That was my point. Dont project your career as there based on what someone with 1000 hours or a few years more than you is doing. You don't know what the industry is going to do.

I knew the industry was a roller coaster when I signed up. But in 2000 it was going hot and we know what has happened since. We can only speculate what will happen 2 year from now.

As someone here quotes "fly because you love it, any other reason will leave you dissapointed.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

ratherbeflyen; love your avatar.

:uzi: :smash: :beer:

 

[time builder]

That was cool, the planes skippin their wheels across the water and all. I was always under the impression that your gear would dig in and try to flip you if they got in the water, they got skills either way.

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

That was cool, the planes skippin their wheels across the water and all. I was always under the impression that your gear would dig in and try to flip you if they got in the water, they got skills either way.

What post are you talkin' about?????

 

[RefugePilot]

What post are you talkin' about?????

http://www.flightzone.co.za/media/harvards.wmv

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

http://www.flightzone.co.za/media/harvards.wmv

:nuts: Guess I thought that was part of your signature. Duh.

 

[Captain Josh]

Just like the thread is titled you need to go out and physically beat on some doors. I don't know where you are at, but I was in your position. I was looking for a job to finance a CFI rating and I went to every building on the busiest field I could find hoping to get a job pumping gas. The very last place on the field I went called me the day I walked my resume in and offered me a job on the line. I quickly found out that a good number of the pilots there got their start doing exactly what I was doing. In a few months I had a replacement on the line and I was a full time pilot.
You're opportunities aren't going to some from the places with the shiny jets and beautiful facilities. Its going to some from the mom and pops in the back corner of the field that will let you ride in 310's because they like the way you work. If they like the way you fly they will let you sit right seat when they need an extra pilot in the bigger aircraft. Rather than think about all the big names you hear on FI all the time, go to the places that you have never heard of, shake some hands and show them that you are a person, not just some address on the top of a resume. If an employer truly likes you and the way you work they will reward you. There are a lot of opportunities out there. The harder you work the luckier you get.

 

[bertengineer]

If you want the S.E. try Flight Express. They fly C-210 for the new guys with eventual upgrade to the BE-58 . Since you have less than 1200 hours ( Required for IFR part 135) you can go VFR with over 500 hours. Main base is Tampa I believe, but they have out stations throughout the SE.

There are some other companies out there that hire into the SIC program...You can also look at air cargo carriers, air now,

Tell you what..just go to www.airlinepilotcentral.com for company information.

 

[RefugePilot]

Flight express is out of Orlando, the executive airport I believe.

I was going to go with them a year anda half ago, as I thought they were the only one to take someone with low multi time. If you have 50 hours you have other options but with less, it is probably one of your only options for PIC.

 

[bama*pilot]

try airnet... they have a sic program and you don't need much multi! good luck

 

[bertengineer]

Flight express is out of Orlando, the executive airport I believe.

You are right..sorry about that. Tampa is where some of the maintenance is done, and Orlando Executive is another place. I remember everynight I would see a 210 up on jacks going through a 100 hour or an annual at the hanger in TPA.

 

[mcjohn]

Thanks for all the helpful info. For a little more detail on my situation I'll paste part of a message I just sent out:

I just retured home from towing banners on the N.J. shore about three weeks ago and have been working a regular day job to make ends meet since my wife lost her job. I haven't set foot in a plane since I left but I plan to start instructing again in Oct. I must get instrument proficient again but have no money to do so. I'm struggling to think of some creative ways to do it.

I went to an Air Cargo Carriers interview recently and busted on the sim. They said they liked me though and to be sure to interview again in 6 months. The stuff they threw at me on the sim was a little too much IMO (considering what was on my resume.) I was definetly non-proficient for hard slam back course approaches and holds. No time given for set up and briefing. All settings and pulling out of approach plates were on the fly. I told the guy that the format was a little rushed and stressful but he said it mimicks well the conditions they face flying in the northern mid west. Oh well. I don't know if I'll interview there again. I lost 400-500 dollars in the endeavor. However, I want to be that guy that can handle anything on the fly in IMC so that's my big challenge now. Flying banners for 3.5 months certainly didn't help prepare me for sim checks.

On another note, I'm not sure if applying to all the regionals right now would be in my best interest (and I only have 12 hrs multi.) I'm looking for that job that will school me well for any environment, build multi time, and get turbine PIC asap of course (I'm under the impression that regionals are the slower option to upgrade.) I'm all about "payin the dues" and have no intention of leaping ahead for a "position" and not being able to hold my own on sims.

Anyway, I have MSFS 2004 and I have a decent scan for BAI. My problem is staying ahead of the settings, procedures, and positional / situational awareness. 2004 doesn't seem to help me very well on those issues. There are no physical switches and it allows you to set everything in advance before you fly. It's not very functional for practicing "on the fly." My idea right now is to solidify how I really want to handle my checklist and procedure protocal. I've been taught so many different techniques along the way of my training that it's up in the air. My first idea is to fly the Baron on 2004 and use Flight Express's checklists and flows that are available on the internet for their pilot's to prep for their 6 month Baron checkouts. Any other ideas?

 

[RefugePilot]

Sounds like you are on the right path. If you cant afford a real plane, get good on a sim. You do not have to have the exact procedures in the sim for the company you are interviewing with, but you should have some good solid procedures or flows, so you look like you know what you are doing. While on the sim, try full flights, from DPs to enroutes and full procedure approaches. Once you get better, have anohter flight instructor give you directions and diversions so you get used to thinking fast.

Its possible on the sim ride you took the evaluator saw you were overwhelmed and behind the plane so turned up the heat so you also knew you were not prepared. If you cant pass a sim ride with basic intstrument procedures, you will have tons of trouble when they put you in a more complex airplane with flows, checklist and engine failures. During your checkride you will be slammed from one approach to the next with failures and tricks thrown in, so you better be good before you even start the training or you wont make it.

You should be in no rush (except to get more hours) as you still need 200 hours before you can interview for PIC 135 positions. Once you get good on the sim you can try Airnet for SIC.