Kingairrick
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Nope, i was in CYYT doing broken glass approch? almost soiled myself after 4th approch told controller to give me time to work problem they approved. Successful landing 400OC about 1 to 1.5 mile Vis Broken Glass.....
Did someone soil their pants?![]()
Can you at least tell us what happened?
Coming down the Spartn3 arrival into PTK, just past sprtn, some asswipe was playing around in or near the clouds. As we are decending to 7000, the controller comes on very exited and says;
"0WM! Stop decent! stop decent! turn 150 immediately! traffic just popped up 12 o'clock 1 mile climbing through 6800'!"
At the same time, TCAS says; "traffic" and about 5 seconds later; "decend." The RA was commanding a 2000 FPM decent. Well, since I wrote a paper on the DHL-Tupolev 154 accident once, I began to follow the TCAS instuction. We were very near a nice pretty puffy cloud.
After about 10 seconds the tcas says "climb" and the RA commands a 4000FPM climb.
I pulled as hard as I dared and went to radar power.
The TCAS target was superimposed on our aircraft symbol at our altitude on the 3 mile range at this point.
The hairs on the back of my neck were standing straight up and I was picturing pieces of Falcon 50 spinning down over the Michigan countryside.
As I hit the green band at 4000FPM, the tcas says; "Monitor vertical speed." And then the best thing I've heard in a while; "clear of conflict." The whole thing lasted about 45 seconds.
We never saw the other airplane. ATC says the she's not talking to him as he's VFR. Gave us her number to call when we got on the ground. Called and they were tracking him to have a conversation about proper cloud clearances, but they wouldn't be able to prove there was any violation.
I apologized to the passenger for the ride. He was OK with it, said it was fun
Based on the timing of the TA and RAs, I've come to the conclusion that the other aircraft had to be making extreme manouvers. The RA reversal isn't supposed to happen, and certainly not within 10 seconds. TAs and RAs are supposed to happen 30 seconds apart also.
I'm wondering if there isn't some asswipe who decided it would be fun to try a fighter style intercept on us. At the very least there is a guy there who likes to play VFR in and near the clouds.
I hope the guy popped out and got a windshield full of Falcon 50, and had to clean his shorts.
I hugged my wife and kids extra hard when I got home.
Lets all be careful out there.
Coming down the Spartn3 arrival into PTK, just past sprtn, some asswipe was playing around in or near the clouds. As we are decending to 7000, the controller comes on very exited and says;
"0WM! Stop decent! stop decent! turn 150 immediately! traffic just popped up 12 o'clock 1 mile climbing through 6800'!"
At the same time, TCAS says; "traffic" and about 5 seconds later; "decend." The RA was commanding a 2000 FPM decent. Well, since I wrote a paper on the DHL-Tupolev 154 accident once, I began to follow the TCAS instuction. We were very near a nice pretty puffy cloud.
After about 10 seconds the tcas says "climb" and the RA commands a 4000FPM climb.
I pulled as hard as I dared and went to radar power.
The TCAS target was superimposed on our aircraft symbol at our altitude on the 3 mile range at this point.
The hairs on the back of my neck were standing straight up and I was picturing pieces of Falcon 50 spinning down over the Michigan countryside.
As I hit the green band at 4000FPM, the tcas says; "Monitor vertical speed." And then the best thing I've heard in a while; "clear of conflict." The whole thing lasted about 45 seconds.
We never saw the other airplane. ATC says the she's not talking to him as he's VFR. Gave us her number to call when we got on the ground. Called and they were tracking him to have a conversation about proper cloud clearances, but they wouldn't be able to prove there was any violation.
I apologized to the passenger for the ride. He was OK with it, said it was fun
Based on the timing of the TA and RAs, I've come to the conclusion that the other aircraft had to be making extreme manouvers. The RA reversal isn't supposed to happen, and certainly not within 10 seconds. TAs and RAs are supposed to happen 30 seconds apart also.
I'm wondering if there isn't some asswipe who decided it would be fun to try a fighter style intercept on us. At the very least there is a guy there who likes to play VFR in and near the clouds.
I hope the guy popped out and got a windshield full of Falcon 50, and had to clean his shorts.
I hugged my wife and kids extra hard when I got home.
Lets all be careful out there.
Whatever it is you hoped to say, it certainly sounds dramatic. Perhaps next time in complete, intelligible sentences, and you might just have it.