I was actually referring to the position of "company chief smartass", it's typically reserved for myself! I'll have to put the power to the van tonight then, they are usually just leaving as I'm getting in, I'll do my best I guess, always nice to have options. Oh wait a minute, we go to Yingling now, I talked to one of the runner guys once when we went to RAS, ex-military guy, pretty nice, was giving the lady he was with a hard time, she was also pretty nice, I think she's a captain now, or always was, don't remember. I think I'll have better luck just making a few call, but thanks for the help, much appreciated.