Who takes a 135 Jumpseater

[CatYaaak]

I gave a hard time to an Airnet jumpseater the other day for it but took him on anyway.

That's kinda cheezy, isn't it?

 

[Av8trxx]

Re: What about SWA?

Anyone know if its possible for a 135 guy to catch a ride with SWA?

SWA only allows 135 pilots to jumpseat if their company has an agreement. (Good luck getting a security document to get through the checkpoint if you do not have an agreeement. You'll never get the the Captain to ask.) There are only 4 Part 135 companies on the list they keep at the gate check in counter:

Amerflight
Air Net
Cape Air
Bank Air

If you can get past security, and your company is not on the list, you can always beg. However, some chronic beggers get black listed. Ana Zeppeda is an Air Vegas pilot who is also UAL F/A. She tries to jumpseat on WN often enough that they have put her name up on the memo board saying she is "not to be given a jumpseat under any circumstances as we do not have an agreement with Air Vegas". Jeez, just buy the UAL pass agreement ID 90 already......

 

[cheezpilot]

Fraitman-
Hey maybe it was just the POI of the carrier I used to fly for back in the 90's but carrying a jumpseater in a part 135 airplane without an auto pilot (I think he was refering to FAR135.101 and 135.105(b) unless it has changed) or in a single engine airplane (FAR 135.163(f)1-2) was big No-NO.. Maybe things have changed since then because wasn't it just a few years ago that the FAA signed off on the single engine IFR part 135 passenger thing. I think they looked at the jumpseater as a passenger because the jumpseater did not have a check out in the plane or something. Hey, it could be wrong but my ticket was on the line so I did what I needed to do to keep my record clean.


CatYaak-
I used to get razzed about it from other carriers so what comes around goes around. I just was in a playful mood and wanted to see the Airnet guy fidgit a bid. Can't I have a little fun, I was going to take him all along. I have NEVER refused a jumpseater in a 121 operation flight list or no list. It is just really hard to get by the gate agent if you are not on the list.

 

[135fr8r]

The 135 I fly for isn`t on SWA`s jumpseat list, but I have never been turned down by a Captain nor have I ever had any probs with a gate agent. Lots of my fellow co-workers use SWA all the time. I have heard of a few occasions when they have been turned down, but these occasions were few and far between. Give em a try, all they can say is no.

 

[Freight Dog]

Hey cheez, I used to carry SWA jumpseaters in a Lance when I was flying for AMF. That was a common occurrence.

POI's and their interpretations of regs.... blah!

 

[dispatchguy]

AWA will take 135 pilots, its in our FOM (cabin seat required of course)

 

[tcaphou]

American Eagle FM 1

Our FM 1 states that we can not accept any Part 135 jumpseaters, but I have had two cool Captains give the ok to the jumpseater. They are risking a visit to the Chief Pilot, but they've been in your shoes before and we all try to help one another out when we can.

 

[saabcaptain]

Chicago Express (ATA Connection) allows for Part 135 guys jumpseating. I certainly allow them on my aircraft when they come up but remember buisness casual (many people are still in sloppy jeans etc. which isn't so cool) and have ID (many Part 135 ID's look so poor, I sympathize because until 3 years ago my own Part 121 carrier IDs looked like something made on a xerox machine) WITH airmen certificate, and another photo ID ready.

I really don't see why we should deny ANYONE the jumpseat in our industry unless their company refuses our employees (for no FAR reason). Even then I take 'em and tell 'em to keep fighting the good fight to get that fixed but that's me.

 

[414Flyer]

Okay, well how would a 135 pilot proceed to attempt jumpseating now?

I used do to it a lot prior to 9/11, but how would I get to the gate without a ticket, in order to talk to the captain?

 

[Fr8DoggyStyle]

I have gotten on AW and Mesa post 9/11 a few times with no refusals. Just smile at the gate agent and be friendly

As far as getting through security, i havent had one actually inspect my ID badge, but i always look the part in the monkey suit which does wonders.

 

[414Flyer]

I do not have a monkey suit to wear...I do have an air ambulance flight suit, but not sure that would suffice

 

[350DRIVER]

Okay, well how would a 135 pilot proceed to attempt jumpseating now?

You must check in with the gate agent who is working the flight to avoid any possible problems and advise them of your credentials, intentions, and also show them your company photo ID. Most likely they are going to "refer" to that magic list at this point to see if your company is on the list or not. (here is where the problem seems to start).... It is quite possible that you may not have that "magic" agreement with the airline to jumpseat so this is where a silver tongue on your behalf has to get the job done. Even if the airline does "allow" 135 jumpers onboard you still may have a problem since the agent may not be aware of this and may attempt to say "we can't". I have seen many gate agents turn down guys since they were unaware that in reality you are allowed onboard even though your company does not appear on the list. Alot really depends on the "mood" of the agents working the flight as well, I would attempt to speak to the captain of the flight before he goes onto the aircraft and define who you are and what you want to do... I think this seems to work out the best since you can always tell the gate agent that you already have spoken to the captain and that you have his "blessing" to jumpseat.

When I was a DAL agent we would sometimes make exceptions for certain people as long as the captain said he was "OK" with alllowing a 135 jumper NOT on the list to ride along. Post 9-11 things have gotten a tad more strict and IF the gate agents are busy they may not even want to take the time to work with you so you should be prepared to ask quickly and not to hold up other pax in line who are the reason why the airlines are here today.

As far as getting through security

I have not had any problems with wearing my photo ID that my company has issued, I have had a few questions come up however on "who do you fly for"? "I have never heard of them"- easy answer that solves the problem is that "I fly for a "charter" airline".... Usually no more questions will be posed.

AWA will take 135 pilots, its in our FOM (cabin seat required of course)

Good news, I was under the impression that you had to be on a list for AWA jumpseat. I guess they must have changed this recently.??

cheers

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[atpcliff]

Hi!

I just jumpseated on AWA.

They DO have a list, and if you're not on it, you're not going, unless the captain feels charitable, which is true for almost all airlines.

I JS within the cont. US, and the capt said OK, and didn't check the list. When I tried to JS to Mexico, the capt said he needed to check the list. We weren't on it, so I had to buy a ticket.

The only airline I know of that you can fly to Mexico on the JS if you're not on a "List" is ATA, as they have no list.

CLiff
GRB

 

[Ty Webb]

Also, guys, please remember that jumpseating is a professional courtesy extended to fellow pilots- it is NOT supposed to be a way for your company to save money on tickets.

In other words- if you are traveling on Company business (such as dropping off an aircraft in Wichita for maintenance) your Company needs to buy you a ticket . . . . . NOT ask you to "try to jumpseat home".

We had two guys get on in ICT going to ATL. About halfway there, the Capt. and I started talking about it . . . and figured out that they had probably just dropped off an airplane for MX. It really pissed us off that their company was probably dropping $50K or so in MX, then were trying to cheat my company out of a few hundred bucks.

I went to go talk to them after the flight, but they had beat it.

I can tell you this . . . as a former 135 guy, I am pleased that we at AirTran still take 135 guys, but if we get more idiots like those two, I guarantee you it will come to a screeching halt. . . .

 

[414Flyer]

Thanks for the info. I know about jumpseat protocol, and did jumpseat when I could from 1999 to 2001, just havent done it since 9/11 and was wondering what to do now, as a 135 pilot who will not be on anyways list (air ambulance)

I live in Tucson and get 10 days off at a time, and am trying to find ways to jumpseat out of here or Phoenix to travel on my days off.

At one place I used to fly for, there was a woman there before me, who while jumpseating, pointed out to the captain how he was off a bit on his altitude. Because of that any some other things, she was pretty much banned from jumpseated on that airline. I believe there was a picture of her up at that airline with a sign or caption about not giving her a ride.