Who takes a 135 Jumpseater

[350DRIVER]

I think the key with part 135 jumpseating is if you are SCHEDULED. Example: Airnet and Cape Air are both scheduled. And it's only fair. How can you reciprocate if you don't have published schedules?

1926,

I tend to disagree with you pertaining to your above statement... The same case could be made from hotel employees and others who will offer us within the "industry" a very nice discount on rooms, food, etc, etc, when in return they are not ( for the most part) being given any discount on airfare nor can they j/s or "ride" along for free. I think it has much more to do with the "courtesy" factor and very little to do with what they expect in return.

Rental car companies offer most industry discounts, what do we offer them in return.??

c h e e r s

3 5 0

Is it fair??? NO - I wish everyone could get something... I would bend over backwards for anyone who needed anything or asked

 

[Freight Dog]

Since, Airnet is not a scheduled Part 135 carrier, while Cape Air may be. I worked for Ameriflight a few years ago, and we had a "schedule", however we were considered "on-demand."
Places like Airnet and Ameriflight are "scheduled" by banks per contract with the institution. For example, they'll be needing a Baron available at XYZ airport at 2200 to fly to ABC airport Mon-Thu.

Places like Cape Air and Pacific Wings are scheduled because they publish their schedule and hold them out to public, and as such, fall under a slightly different set of Part 135 rules.

Hopefully, we'll be able to get the Part 135 guys back in the jumpseat soon, but the priority now should be restoring the reciprocal cockpit jumpseat access for all Part 121 pilots.

 

[cheezpilot]

My problem with 135 is that a great majority of them cannot even take jumpseaters. They fly single pilot in a plane without an autopilot, so no passengers. I used to carry people anyway when I flew 135, but it is borderline legal. You also run across problems with single engine in IFR unless the FAA has changed these rules. I think the specific aircraft has to be approved to carry passenger with certain auxiliary systems and an autopilot if single engine (Caravan). I gave a hard time to an Airnet jumpseater the other day for it but took him on anyway. If you are on our list, and have the proper credentials then you are on board my plane.

 

[LR25]

When I was flying a Beech 18 I used to carry a jumpseater every so often. (in the right seat)

I think they just enjoyed flying in the old Beech more than just getting a ride to work, or they were just scared.

 

[Maxwell Smart]

COEX- If we have seats and you are in uniform w/creds and make it pass the gate NAZI - you can have a seat in my aluminum tube anytime- "BUT YOU GOTTA ASK NICELY!" (a few good men) -- hell I've take helicopter part 135 guys before - they were in uniform and had the creds (no airplane creds) but hell they could operate a helicopter - I am sure they could land an RJ if they had to - Max

 

[fraitman]

In response to what Cheezpilot wrote, a Part 135 cargo operation does not become a passenger flight because they have an air-carrier pilot jumpseating. The FAA allows that other pilot to be considered an "additional crew member." Otherwise, Part 135 companies like Airnet and Ameriflight could not take jumpseaters, because they don't comply with the Part 135 regulations applying to passenger flights. Ameriflight and other Part 135 air cargo companies do legally allow jumpseating pilots from certain other companies -- regardless on whether it is a single-engine, an IFR flight, has autopilot, or other requirements that pertain to 135 passenger flights.

 

[dsee8driver]

YEs..

I flew 135 freight in NC for Tarheel Aviation a few years back and I carried jumpers as ACM's with no probs.

 

[Freight Dog]

I used to carry SWA ACM's at Ameriflight as well a few years ago as well.

 

[rice]

What about SWA?

Anyone know if its possible for a 135 guy to catch a ride with SWA?
For what its worth, I've never been turned away at ATA and almost always gotten a ride from Frontier.

 

[jaybird]

I just jumpseated on SWA last weekend. My company has a reciprocal agreement with them though.

 

[CatYaaak]

I gave a hard time to an Airnet jumpseater the other day for it but took him on anyway.

That's kinda cheezy, isn't it?

 

[Av8trxx]

Re: What about SWA?

Anyone know if its possible for a 135 guy to catch a ride with SWA?

SWA only allows 135 pilots to jumpseat if their company has an agreement. (Good luck getting a security document to get through the checkpoint if you do not have an agreeement. You'll never get the the Captain to ask.) There are only 4 Part 135 companies on the list they keep at the gate check in counter:

Amerflight
Air Net
Cape Air
Bank Air

If you can get past security, and your company is not on the list, you can always beg. However, some chronic beggers get black listed. Ana Zeppeda is an Air Vegas pilot who is also UAL F/A. She tries to jumpseat on WN often enough that they have put her name up on the memo board saying she is "not to be given a jumpseat under any circumstances as we do not have an agreement with Air Vegas". Jeez, just buy the UAL pass agreement ID 90 already......

 

[cheezpilot]

Fraitman-
Hey maybe it was just the POI of the carrier I used to fly for back in the 90's but carrying a jumpseater in a part 135 airplane without an auto pilot (I think he was refering to FAR135.101 and 135.105(b) unless it has changed) or in a single engine airplane (FAR 135.163(f)1-2) was big No-NO.. Maybe things have changed since then because wasn't it just a few years ago that the FAA signed off on the single engine IFR part 135 passenger thing. I think they looked at the jumpseater as a passenger because the jumpseater did not have a check out in the plane or something. Hey, it could be wrong but my ticket was on the line so I did what I needed to do to keep my record clean.


CatYaak-
I used to get razzed about it from other carriers so what comes around goes around. I just was in a playful mood and wanted to see the Airnet guy fidgit a bid. Can't I have a little fun, I was going to take him all along. I have NEVER refused a jumpseater in a 121 operation flight list or no list. It is just really hard to get by the gate agent if you are not on the list.

 

[135fr8r]

The 135 I fly for isn`t on SWA`s jumpseat list, but I have never been turned down by a Captain nor have I ever had any probs with a gate agent. Lots of my fellow co-workers use SWA all the time. I have heard of a few occasions when they have been turned down, but these occasions were few and far between. Give em a try, all they can say is no.

 

[Freight Dog]

Hey cheez, I used to carry SWA jumpseaters in a Lance when I was flying for AMF. That was a common occurrence.

POI's and their interpretations of regs.... blah!

 

[dispatchguy]

AWA will take 135 pilots, its in our FOM (cabin seat required of course)

 

[tcaphou]

American Eagle FM 1

Our FM 1 states that we can not accept any Part 135 jumpseaters, but I have had two cool Captains give the ok to the jumpseater. They are risking a visit to the Chief Pilot, but they've been in your shoes before and we all try to help one another out when we can.

 

[saabcaptain]

Chicago Express (ATA Connection) allows for Part 135 guys jumpseating. I certainly allow them on my aircraft when they come up but remember buisness casual (many people are still in sloppy jeans etc. which isn't so cool) and have ID (many Part 135 ID's look so poor, I sympathize because until 3 years ago my own Part 121 carrier IDs looked like something made on a xerox machine) WITH airmen certificate, and another photo ID ready.

I really don't see why we should deny ANYONE the jumpseat in our industry unless their company refuses our employees (for no FAR reason). Even then I take 'em and tell 'em to keep fighting the good fight to get that fixed but that's me.

 

[414Flyer]

Okay, well how would a 135 pilot proceed to attempt jumpseating now?

I used do to it a lot prior to 9/11, but how would I get to the gate without a ticket, in order to talk to the captain?

 

[Fr8DoggyStyle]

I have gotten on AW and Mesa post 9/11 a few times with no refusals. Just smile at the gate agent and be friendly

As far as getting through security, i havent had one actually inspect my ID badge, but i always look the part in the monkey suit which does wonders.