Who logged their Sim time during inital?

[100LL... Again!]

WHOA!!!

Just because sim time can be APPLIED to meet some of the the requirements of the ATP, does not mean tha it IS total time.

It is SIM time being accepted IN PLACE of some of the total time.

It is not loggable as TT before the ATP, then magically unloggable after it.

Bottom line: You are INSANE to log sim as anything but sim.

There are WAY, WAY, too many interviewers who will not look upon it very well.

Even if you are right, is this the sort of discussion you want to be having at the airline interview.

Side note: If you don't have that much sim, it won't make a difference. If you DO have a lot of sim, that might bring up the issue of why you needed so much d@mn training.

 

[L.A.pilot]

Total Time=Pilot Time, but log Flight Time

14CFR 1.1
Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing; or
(2) For a glider without self-launch capability, pilot time that commences when the glider is towed for the purpose of flight and ends when the glider comes to rest after landing.

61.19(b)(12)
Pilot time means that time in which a person--
(i) Serves as a required pilot flight crewmember;
(ii) Receives training from an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device; or
(iii) Gives training as an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device.

Interestingly, although "total time" is not defined in the FARs, in 61.159 "total time" refers to pilot time. If someone asks how much total time you have, you can include sim/ftd time. If they ask how much flight time you have, do not include sim/ftd time.

For meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an ATP certificate, you need "1500 hours of total time as a pilot", which is pilot time and includes simulator or FTD time. For a commercial certificate under part 61, you need "250 hours of flight time as a pilot", and that flight time does not include simulator or FTD time. Also to meet the PIC requirements for 135.243, sim and FTD do not count toward the flight time requirements of 1200 hours (or 500 for VFR operations).

Pilot time includes instruction given or received in a simulator or FTD. Flight time does not include any simulator time. If your logbook column says "Total Duration of Flight" or otherwise uses the word flight, do not include sim time. Most logbooks have one "Total Time" column, so to be consistent between logbooks, only log SIM & FTD under SIM/FTD, and log the approaches. Do not log landings, multi-engine time, simulated instrument, cross-country etc. To calculate your "Pilot time", just add the flight time and Sim/FTD time. You want the instrument time seperate because there is a limit on how much SIM/FTD time you can count towards experience requirements, and also you want to know how much instrument time you actually have in real airplanes. To calculate the total instrument time, just add SIM/FTD to actual and simulated instrument flight time.

So log FLIGHT TIME in your logbook, but total time=pilot time and includes SIM/FTD. If you logged TT in your logbook (including SIM/FTD), no biggie, just be consistent and subtract SIM/FTD from TT to get flight time. If you change to a logbook that has "Total duration of FLIGHT" etc., carry forward only the flight time and make a note of it. As long as you are consistent and accurately report your flight time, I don't think you are going to have major problems.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I agree...this is not rocket science folks..

If you fly a sim, log sim time
If you fly an airplane, log airplane time.

how hard is this concept?

spit out any regs you want or go by what the sim instructor told you (scary) -- really nobody cares what in the world you log in your logbook..

heck, if you are that hard-up for Total Time, go out to the local strip with a bic pen and start filling $hit in!..

who cares?

 

[L.A.pilot]

The second reg should be 61.1(b)(12)

 

[rettofly]

SIM. Nothing else, just SIM.

Since Sim time is received from an authorized instructor, would it not be correct to log it as Dual Received as well?

My log shows sim as SIM, DUAL REC'D and SIMULATED INSTRUMENT, but not as flight time. Am I wrong?

 

[Lear-fan]

SIM time in type?

What if you need 100 hours in type (lr35/55 or LR-60)for insurance or training requirements to be A Captain in a 135 environment. Would sim time count towards time in type?

Thanks

DES

 

[LJDRVR]

No.

SIM time is SIM time is SIM time. Re-read MetroSherrif's post on page one. Read it again. If you ever take your logbooks into an interview with simulator time logged as TT or ME, you'll be shown the door. If you have a mishap and try explaining to the insurance company that you really did have 100 hours in type because some nerd at FSI said you should log it, you'll be in a world of hurt.

Nobody will care that your logbook contains 15 less hours than it would have if you logged the time, but just about everyone will care if they see the simulator entries in the total time column. Don't want to believe me? Ask FLX757 how many line checks, PC's and type rides he's administered in his career.

Your logbook dude.

 

[fokkers&beer]

Log what you need and fly what you can.
I never have logged any of my sim time its just a drop in the bucket in the end. If I did log any sim time it would be in the SIM collumn only. Some sims I have flown actually are advanced enough to have their own N number and all the check rides can be given in them. The sim operator also said it could be logged as aircraft time because it was advanced enough to be issued an actual N number but I dont know about that.

 

[j41driver]

However, it if were me, I would log it as simulator time ONLY

That's what I do too. It doesn't get counted toward anything really. I just keep log it as "sim" for my own record.

 

[j41driver]

Would sim time count towards time in type?

Can you get your driver's license on your X-Box or PS2? If you aren't physically "in type" then it doesn't count as time in type. Where do people see this "grey" area?