Who cares about nwa sleeping pilots, they did not crash!!!

[SFR]

Get over it, it happened and nobody was hurt.

We should worry more about stuff that matters... like flipping da beotch and selling that Moonlit!!!!!

 

[wmuflyguy]

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[SFR]

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Uhh..what?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Get over it, it happened and nobody was hurt.

We should worry more about stuff that matters... like flipping da beotch and selling that Moonlit!!!!!

This post is a good example as to why you shouldn't post while drunk

 

[twepilot]

or while stupid.

RV

 

[Jetjockey]

Or both.

 

[DrewBlows]

He's right. There is nothing to learn from anything other than an accident. Save ASAP reports for when you kill someone.

 

[aussieflyboy]

He's right. There is nothing to learn from anything other than an accident. Save ASAP reports for when you kill someone.

I hope you're being sarcastic... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are.

These guys got lucky. They could just as easily have made a smoking crater in Ontario. I don't want my wife and son flying with crews that only get them to their destination by sheer luck.

 

[N1atEcon]

This is especially bad timing right now with what is going on in Wash. After the BUF accident there were some pretty extreme ideas floating around that if passed could impact all of our lives ($$$$$$$$). The good news on this was that they had 19 hours off. So no blame can be placed on a short overnight followed by a long duty day.

 

[Dubya]

"Northwest 188 Chicago Center, over."

 

[volav8r1]

I hope you're being sarcastic... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are.

These guys got lucky. They could just as easily have made a smoking crater in Ontario. I don't want my wife and son flying with crews that only get them to their destination by sheer luck.

After reading several of your comments on these boards it sure does seem that you have some serious ill will towards NWA. As someone who now works at NWA and someone who spent 12 years at XJT, believe me when I tell you I would put MY wife & kids (and anyone else i love, for that matter) on NWA/DAL without a second thought. I can honestly NOT say that about XJT!

There is little doubt that that the crew of Flight 188 screwed up. But you seem to be questioning the skill and experience of NWA crews. There is NO comparison, believe me! Not an attack on XJT by any means, just the reality of the situation. Apparantly you are of superior skill and would never screw up so maybe you wouldn't understand how this crew could have. The experience in the cockpit of flight 188 far exceeds that of just about any crew you could put together at XJT. Your day will come, and many will be on here calling for your head!!!!

Safe Flyin!

VOL

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Why don't ya boys wait to see what the NTSB finds out. Things may not appear as they seem. Just let the professionals do their job and tell us what really happened.

 

[aussieflyboy]

After reading several of your comments on these boards it sure does seem that you have some serious ill will towards NWA. As someone who now works at NWA and someone who spent 12 years at XJT, believe me when I tell you I would put MY wife & kids (and anyone else i love, for that matter) on NWA/DAL without a second thought. I can honestly NOT say that about XJT!

There is little doubt that that the crew of Flight 188 screwed up. But you seem to be questioning the skill and experience of NWA crews. There is NO comparison, believe me! Not an attack on XJT by any means, just the reality of the situation. Apparantly you are of superior skill and would never screw up so maybe you wouldn't understand how this crew could have. The experience in the cockpit of flight 188 far exceeds that of just about any crew you could put together at XJT. Your day will come, and many will be on here calling for your head!!!!

Safe Flyin!

VOL

Vol - let me set the record straight for you.

1. I don't know where you get the idea that I have something against NWA or its pilots... Has there been another thread where I've said anything derogatory toward the airline or pilot group? I don't believe so but feel free to correct me. I have a lot of friends at NWA including several other former XJTers and I also have been privelaged enough to get a ride home and to work with NWA on many occasions and believe me when I say that I think they're a class act and I have nothing but the utmost respect for the people there.

2. I don't disagree with you regarding the experience level of NWA vs that of ExpressJet. How can anyone possibly argue that point... It'd be like trying to say that the students at Harvard were less educated than the students at the high school across town. I would never contend otherwise. In fact, you make the point for me that I and many others are trying to make. Just because the crew may be supremely qualified, it doesn't make them immune to making mistakes.

3. I'm not trying to say that I'm Chuck Yeager Jnr by any means. I can and do make mistakes on the flight deck nearly every time I fly, which is probably the case for most of us. Thankfully, I try to fly fairly close to the recommended SOP's for my airline and I probably have that to thank for the fact that I've yet to make any GLARING horrible errors to this point. Not to say that I'm immune from making one, because we all can in the right set of circumstances. The major issue with this NWA incident is that the guys are clearly lying about what happened in the cockpit that day. There is no excuse for lying. If it's proved that they're lying then they should be thrown out and never allowed to command an airliner again. Nobody on any forum has yet been able to produce a plausible explanation, besides the pilots being asleep, for the series of events that occured on NWA 188 to MSP. If someone can come up with one, then please let us know. I fully expect to be examined and to have my actions and decision making processes disected by my peers following any accident/incident I find myself involved in. One thing I won't do, though, is lie in an attempt to cover up what really happened.


I can see where the statement about my wife and son could be misleading. I certainly didn't intend for it to mean that I'd feel unsafe with them flying on a NWA flight. That's definitely not the case. What I was referring to was that the particular pilots involved should not be allowed to continue flying. I see how the wording I used could have been misinterpreted though, and apologise for that.

 

[Kharma Police]

I care, because of the knee jerk reaction that will follow after the hearings are over that will affect us all. As I mentioned before, politicians will demand cameras in the cockpit, CVR tapes used in disciplinary hearings, erosion of the ASAP program. Even if these guys were just having a "discussion", the FAA will be pressured to do something. They will probably mandate some crazy new form of sterile cockpit within a given distance of a terminal area.

 

[scoreboardII]

cockpit video, thats next. Thanks sleeping guys...

good news is duct tape sticks to anything.