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I but you and Eva will be happy together and you will be able to go on lots of dates with the money you save on gas. Just send all of some pictures of her naked.
 
25 might be unrealistic but I think 35 or less is definitely within reach. How can the oil companies try and justify the current 50$+ price per barrell while in the same breath they report up to a 44% increase in profits?! Gouging?! No, that's rape, prison style.
 
Flying Illini said:
Gouging?! No, that's rape, prison style.

I guess that means it hurts!

Seriously, if the value of our dollar on the world market improved, it would contribute to much lower fuel prices. If there were really demand shortages driving up fuel prices, don't you think we'd be hearing about some country having fuel restrictions, such as what we had in the '70's?
 
smellthejeta said:
I guess that means it hurts!

Seriously, if the value of our dollar on the world market improved, it would contribute to much lower fuel prices. If there were really demand shortages driving up fuel prices, don't you think we'd be hearing about some country having fuel restrictions, such as what we had in the '70's?

The first part is true to an extent... if the dollar were stronger then gas prices in the US would be a bit lower.

The fuel restrictions in the 70's were a result of intentional supply restriction on the part of OPEC, followed by a rather poorly implemented government rationing. They were flexing their economic muscles for political reasons, not any natural shortage.

The current high oil prices are a result of demand almost equaling supply. It is a result of a very low reserve production capacity. Demand cannot ever truly exceed supply in a free market. The more I think of it, it's like the airline industry (only the oil industry is a lot smarter).

Lets imagine that aircraft seats were a natural resource. There are a fixed total number of seats available on aircraft in the US each day. Now, if tickets were $1 then every seat would be full, and lots of people would be dissapointed that they couldn't travel that day. But since it's a free market, ticket prices rise to a point where not every seat is occupied, just most of them. Those that can't afford it stay home. Now comes the problem. What if that price point is lower than the actual cost of operating the aircraft? Well, airlines go out of business or park planes... until, due to the reduction in capacity, the ticket prices rise to the point where the remaining seats can be sold at a break-even price. This is similar to OPEC and other oil suppliers intentionally throttling production to keep oil at a certain price. In a completely unfettered free market, however, nobody would make money because each seat or barrel would be sold for a break-even, not profitable price... so the oil companies collude and organize in ways that would be illegal domestically (monopolistic etc.) and agree on a production volume that allows for profit. If the airlines could do this then a lot of our troubles would be solved... but I digress.

Now suppose the reverse situation is true and the demand for travel is high... so high that nearly all the seats are filled at profitable ticket prices. Well, airlines buy more airplanes and add seats until things level off. But if capacity for airplane production is limited (or limited by pilot shortage, runway shortage, atc congestion, whatever) then seat prices would continue to rise until only very rich people can fly. The airlines would be making money hand over fist. This was basically the situation in the "golden days" of aviation.

Similarly oil companies increase production... until, as is the case now, production capacity is nearly met. Now there is no more "regulation" of prices at a moderate level... prices continue to rise until demand slacks off. This does not mean you get lines at gas stations, it means you get $2.70 gas at gas stations, and people drive less, buy more economical cars, etc.

I'll put it simply. If the oil companies were about to actually run out of gas, they would compensate by raising prices. They always maintain a small reserve. They always try to sell most of their gas, similar to the way the airlines try to sell most of their seats. If an airline sold all its seats, it means prices are too low! And if Exxon or Mobil sells all its gasoline, then their prices are too low!

If demand remains strong then prices just go up and up and up until demand eventually has to drop. What if gas was $5/gallon? $10? You might be tempted to bike to work... or the economy collapses, your company goes out of business, and you walk to the bread line...
 
well put ackattacker.
But what happens when the oil companies force the majority to buy more economical vehicles? In the long run, don't they lose money because people aren't buying as much gas? Or if that happens, do they then just keep raising prices till we see prices comparable to European countries?
The oil prices are hurting the Detroit Big 3 auto companies (I feel) b/c people are looking for more economical cars. People are looking for cheap, reliable transportation.
The only winner in this is the oil companies. I bet if members of congress had to drive places like the rest of us, and if they had to buy their own gas (we know the oil companies "subsidize" them), maybe something would be done about it.
 
Flying Illini said:
How can the oil companies try and justify the current 50$+ price per barrell

Because the oil companies don't set the price of what a barrel costs, perhaps?
 
Ackattacker,

Sounds like you're talking about a utility curve. We deal with the same process in the Pharma industry when contemplating a price increase.

Dave
 
Flying Illini said:
well put ackattacker.
But what happens when the oil companies force the majority to buy more economical vehicles? In the long run, don't they lose money because people aren't buying as much gas? Or if that happens, do they then just keep raising prices till we see prices comparable to European countries?
The oil prices are hurting the Detroit Big 3 auto companies (I feel) b/c people are looking for more economical cars. People are looking for cheap, reliable transportation.
The only winner in this is the oil companies. I bet if members of congress had to drive places like the rest of us, and if they had to buy their own gas (we know the oil companies "subsidize" them), maybe something would be done about it.

The oil companies aren't forcing the majority to buy more economical vehicles... the market is. The oil companies don't actually set the price of oil. Remember that there are many oil companies and they are in competition with each other (free market). So the market sets the price. I think you sort of missed my point. It's true that the oil companies are operating at a huge profit... but imagine for a moment if all the oil companies were to get together and say "OK, We all agree that despite the high demand we're going to sell all our oil at the low price of $25/barrel, so that people keep buying SUV's, and in the interest of keeping the economy going strong."

This doesn't help the oil producers at all... in addition to lower profits per barrel, the artificially low price would lead to actual gasoline shortages because then demand actually would exceed supply. The oil companies can only make money selling oil that they actually have... so they actually WANT more economical cars, because that prevents gas prices reaching the point where it causes an economic collapse. If the economy collapses, that's when demand would REALLY drop.
 

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