Which Airlines would you apply to?

[AcroTim]

Assuming you have 1000+ PIC Turbine, which Airlines would you apply to right now? (Other then UPS, FedEx, SWA)

 

[Pocono Pilot]

What do you mean other than FedEx, UPS, SWA?

Have you already applied to these three?

 

[AcroTim]

Looking for advice

I think these are no-brainers as long as you meet their minimums. I am a 135 guy trying to make the jump to 121. I meet the minimums at several places. I am looking for advice from those in the 121 world. If you were in my shoes, who would you apply to?

 

[bendover]

apply to every major, and take the first one that hires you, with only 1000 hrs of turbine pic you can't afford to be picky, after you get hired then keep trying to cherry pick the perfect job.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

SWA- First choice, no brainer
UPS- No brainer. Probably first choice but not realistic because of the transoceanic requirement. Could be an international widebody captain in a few years in Alaska.
FedEx- Not sure if they are hiring in 07, but another no brainer. Could even be based in Paris.
DAL - Lots of potential, but risky. Probably will be the best, if only legacy worth working at.
ACMI carriers - Apply to any of these, Gemini, Atlas, World?, and get the time and then go to the best gig in aviation UPS (or FedEx if they are hiring)
Emirates - 777 flying all over the world
Cathay Pacific - Great career but tough interview
Other than DAL, I can't see any legacy being a good choice anymore.

 

[Green]

SWA- First choice, no brainer
UPS- No brainer. Probably first choice but not realistic because of the transoceanic requirement. Could be an international widebody captain in a few years in Alaska.
FedEx- Not sure if they are hiring in 07, but another no brainer. Could even be based in Paris.
DAL - Lots of potential, but risky. Probably will be the best, if only legacy worth working at.
ACMI carriers - Apply to any of these, Gemini, Atlas, World?, and get the time and then go to the best gig in aviation UPS (or FedEx if they are hiring)
Emirates - 777 flying all over the world
Cathay Pacific - Great career but tough interview
Other than DAL, I can't see any legacy being a good choice anymore.

You might be a bit premature with the DAL rec...

 

[CoAlpha]

I think these are no-brainers as long as you meet their minimums. I am a 135 guy trying to make the jump to 121. I meet the minimums at several places. I am looking for advice from those in the 121 world. If you were in my shoes, who would you apply to?

If your 135 you are not going to a major, no how no way. You will have to go to a regional, thats the only way, or join the military, and make sure you have a college degree. So with that in mind, try SKYW or RAH.

next question.

 

[737 Pylt]

You might be a bit premature with the DAL rec...

Because US Airways looks so much more promising!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

737

 

[mdanno808]

If your 135 you are not going to a major, no how no way. You will have to go to a regional, thats the only way, or join the military, and make sure you have a college degree. So with that in mind, try SKYW or RAH.

next question.

I don't think that's 100% accurate.

 

[Charlie Brown]

It is not accurate in the case of SWA. Guys have been hired there from 135 operators. I know two people that fit into this category.

 

[AcroTim]

If your 135 you are not going to a major, no how no way. You will have to go to a regional, thats the only way, or join the military, and make sure you have a college degree. So with that in mind, try SKYW or RAH.

next question.

Thank you for your input, sir or ma'am. If you don't mind, which airline do you work for?

 

[scoreboard]

If I had any money? None...

 

[Bavarian Chef]

doctor, lawyer, politician, bartender in key west.

if that doesn't pan out, try mcdonalds, burger king or taco bell.

the airline bidness is for the birds.

 

[willNOTfly4free]

If your 135 you are not going to a major, no how no way. You will have to go to a regional, thats the only way, or join the military, and make sure you have a college degree. So with that in mind, try SKYW or RAH.

wrong

 

[jtf]

All the fractionals fly 135 (NJ is the only one using 91K for pax legs, but still does many 135 flights). I know of guys going to Southwest, Continental, UPS, and Fedex in the last 6 months from NJA. It is much more common for the majors to hire pilots from the regionals and military, but they do take from elsewhere also. I would have to guess with times listed and from being outside the military or airline world, it will be a longshot to get hired by one of the majors without knowing a chief pilot or at least having many glowing internal recommendations. Good luck getting wherever you so wish, however you have to get there.

 

[General Lee]

You might be a bit premature with the DAL rec...

Delta Returns to Trading
With Strong Balance Sheet

By THOMAS G. DONLAN
May 13, 2007

Pilots often say that any landing you walk away from is a good landing. By that standard, Delta Air Lines made a good landing into bankruptcy in 2005, for the company walked away from the wreckage and spread its wings for a new take-off this month.
Not so the old shareholders, who were wiped out. The 400 million new shares that opened for trading on the New York Stock Exchange May 3 were issued to former Delta unsecured creditors, employees, managers and the federal Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.
Trading under the old ticker symbol, DAL, the shares finished last week at about $19. Over the next two quarters, however, the company should do well enough to justify a price closer to $25. Looking further ahead, two Morgan Stanley analysts may well be right when they say "buy on material weakness," and project a share price of $27 to $29.
Delta shed about $13 billion of debt and lease obligations, 6,000 people and 82 planes during its bankruptcy-law proceedings. It now has one of the stronger balance sheets in the industry. And it is looking to grow primarily on international routes, which can be more profitable than domestic business. Moreover, there's a general uptrend in the airline industry and summer is always its best period.
But Delta and all airlines are risky investments, highly vulnerable to slumps, terrorism, fuel-price increases and overcapacity. They face intense competition on key routes. They do well in good times and atrociously in bad times.
Delta's operating losses hit $3.3 billion in 2004 and $2 billion in 2005, before an operating profit of $58 million in 2006. For 2007, Delta projects a pretax profit of about $800 million -- about $2 a new share, meaning the shares are trading for about 10 times 2007 earnings.
Thomas G. Donlan is a staff writer at Barron's magazine, available online at www.barrons.com.


But hey, Green knows better..... He is still bitter that he couldn't come on over in a merger, and has to stay with USAir and that mess. What a fun Summer they will have over there.....riiiiight.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CoolSidePillow]

How does Airtran or Jetblue fit into the equation? I think there are some happy people working there. I think a lot has to do with how a particular company fits into an individuals life. Also, is it possible that it is premature to look at any legacy right now? Just because they are recently out of BK does not mean that they are on firm ground so to speak. Is it better to get on with a smaller company that is on a steady pace and have a better seniority sooner than the bottom of a very large list with a company that has yet to prove it will be able to manage itself financially? Is money everything? I can think of at least a dozen professions that pay better, and right away with a good QOL than aviation. These are not opinions that I either endorse or disagree with, but merely some thoughts on the topic.

 

[jimcav]

How does Airtran or Jetblue fit into the equation? I think there are some happy people working there. I think a lot has to do with how a particular company fits into an individuals life. Also, is it possible that it is premature to look at any legacy right now? Just because they are recently out of BK does not mean that they are on firm ground so to speak. Is it better to get on with a smaller company that is on a steady pace and have a better seniority sooner than the bottom of a very large list with a company that has yet to prove it will be able to manage itself financially? Is money everything? I can think of at least a dozen professions that pay better, and right away with a good QOL than aviation. These are not opinions that I either endorse or disagree with, but merely some thoughts on the topic.

It all depends on our next contract. If they raise copilot pay by 15% like they should then AirTran will be a great place to consider. To me as a soon to be 8 yr guy it's pretty good here but to a 2 yr guy looking at a longer than projected upgrade then I don't know. Hopefully our next ta takes care of more than just the top of the list or we'll have to send it back.

 

[Ty Webb]

I think FO's at AirTran need more than 15% . . . . more like 20%. Junior CA's need some lovin', too.

.

 

[jimcav]

I agree. We all need some love. Especially the junior guys.Hopefully this ta will not be like that 2001 pos that we turned down.

 

[Hpilot]

1)FedEx
2)UPS
3)SWA
4)ALK
5)CAL
6)DAL

 

[BORAT]

1)PanAm
2)Eastern
3)Braniff
4)Wien
5)TWA

There is no good answer, you just gotta roll the dice and hope you come out alive...

 

[CoAlpha]

just bustin balls, i only wish good luck to all involved in this crapfest. life is short so i hope all works out. I do like to stir the pot here, if i pissed anyone off I am sorry. That being said, if you do get hired at a "major" I hope your QOL is better than it is now, thats all that really matters when you look back on it from your death bed.

 

[AA717driver]

This guy could be a GIV/GV or 604 CA and have "transoceanic" experience. (Why is UPS requiring that? Just to make sure you won't doze off @ 30W?)

These days, you cannot assume a 135 pilot is driving around in a C310 carrying lawyers to Pierre, SD.

On topic: Delta has yet to prove itself. CAL has yet to prove itself. ALL airlines are vulnerable. The industry WILL consolodate--it hasn't stopped so far.

Why not stay where you are and keep building PIC time? Unless you need 121 time (obviously, that requirement came from AirTran HR, not flight ops...) why go jerk gear in a jet when you could be building PIC time in one? TC

 

[acarpe3448]

Why not stay where you are and keep building PIC time? Unless you need 121 time (obviously, that requirement came from AirTran HR, not flight ops...) why go jerk gear in a jet when you could be building PIC time in one? TC[/quote]

I have always wondered what this means! What do you mean by "go jerk gear on a jet when you can be building PIC...." I guess I dont understand! If you go to Delta on a 737NG, MD88, or 767 or go to Airtran on a 737-700 or 717 do you really think the NFP does nothing but raise the gear and lower it? I dont get it!

 

[FLYLOW22]

None.

I would apply to none.

If I HAD to fly airline, I would fly boxes.

 

[Ty Webb]

What a wanker!

I would apply to none.

If I HAD to fly airline, I would fly boxes.

Then why are you spending your time in airline threads?

I would fly boxes OR people to get away from NJA flying . . . . but I'm not hanging out in the "fracs" section jonesing to tell everyone about it.


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[Mookie]

Delta Returns to Trading
With Strong Balance Sheet

By THOMAS G. DONLAN
May 13, 2007

Pilots often say that any landing you walk away from is a good landing. By that standard, Delta Air Lines made a good landing into bankruptcy in 2005, for the company walked away from the wreckage and spread its wings for a new take-off this month.
Not so the old shareholders, who were wiped out. The 400 million new shares that opened for trading on the New York Stock Exchange May 3 were issued to former Delta unsecured creditors, employees, managers and the federal Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.
Trading under the old ticker symbol, DAL, the shares finished last week at about $19. Over the next two quarters, however, the company should do well enough to justify a price closer to $25. Looking further ahead, two Morgan Stanley analysts may well be right when they say "buy on material weakness," and project a share price of $27 to $29.
Delta shed about $13 billion of debt and lease obligations, 6,000 people and 82 planes during its bankruptcy-law proceedings. It now has one of the stronger balance sheets in the industry. And it is looking to grow primarily on international routes, which can be more profitable than domestic business. Moreover, there's a general uptrend in the airline industry and summer is always its best period.
But Delta and all airlines are risky investments, highly vulnerable to slumps, terrorism, fuel-price increases and overcapacity. They face intense competition on key routes. They do well in good times and atrociously in bad times.
Delta's operating losses hit $3.3 billion in 2004 and $2 billion in 2005, before an operating profit of $58 million in 2006. For 2007, Delta projects a pretax profit of about $800 million -- about $2 a new share, meaning the shares are trading for about 10 times 2007 earnings.
Thomas G. Donlan is a staff writer at Barron's magazine, available online at www.barrons.com.


But hey, Green knows better..... He is still bitter that he couldn't come on over in a merger, and has to stay with USAir and that mess. What a fun Summer they will have over there.....riiiiight.


Bye Bye--General Lee

So your company rapes the employees, doesn't pay bills, and now you have a great balance sheet. sweet...great job, what a example. At least JetBlue, for all of their faults, pays their bills.

I'll bet you are so ********************ing proud General....

Mookie

 

[AA717driver]

I have always wondered what this means! What do you mean by "go jerk gear on a jet when you can be building PIC...." I guess I dont understand! If you go to Delta on a 737NG, MD88, or 767 or go to Airtran on a 737-700 or 717 do you really think the NFP does nothing but raise the gear and lower it? I dont get it!

Yeah, but it doesn't count for anything unless you're planning on making a career there. You can sit over there and wargame what you'd do if you were CA but the reality is, it's not the same and it's not considered nearly as valuable as left seat time. IMO, 1,000 hours PIC on a CRJ is more valuable (from a hiring standpoint) than 5,000 hours in the right seat of a 777.

BTW, I've only got about 8,000 hours of gear jerking... TC

 

[Chest Rockwell]

So your company rapes the employees, doesn't pay bills, and now you have a great balance sheet. sweet...great job, what a example. At least JetBlue, for all of their faults, pays their bills.

I'll bet you are so ********************ing proud General....

Mookie

You nailed it Mook.

Is there any reason that management at DAL wouldn't do it all again in the future?

CR