Where Can I build turbine time Cheap

[Henrsd28]

Hello fellow Aviators

I need to build about 250 to 300 hours of flight time Cheap and quickly...Can Anyone help....

I am also willing to build the hours in a C152

 

[Bluto]

A turbine-powered C152?

 

[LittleDeuce]

Cheap Turbine Time

You and a million other pilots want "cheap " turbine time.

There is no such thing.

Ride out the storm and pay your dues!

 

[TriDriver]

henrsd28

I work at a place called TAB Express. I'm not trying to sell anybody on the place - I'm just an instructor there.

However, we do have a program for pilots such as you. Check out the website at TAB Express

Also, there's a thread on the place in the Training section of this forum.

They have a program called the 1000/100 which is for pilots who have a 1000 hours total, 100 ME. I don't know exactly what you get, but it would be a bunch of King Air 200 or 1900 simulator time and probably 50 or 100 hours of flight time in the actual King Air airplane.

It ain't cheap, but can probably be tailored to your own situation.

Give them a call and see if it's anything you might be interested in.

The training is done out of Deland, FL - about 20 miles west of Daytona Beach.

TriDriver Bob

 

[FlyingSig]

Interesting website that TAB is providing....

Did you know that a pilot who spends 10 years at a major will only make $53,640 more then a pilot who spends 10 years at ASA?

I was also not aware that a 10 year ASA Capt. made over $160,000.

Also liked all the information implying an interview at Eagle only to have the small print on the bottom say they have not resumed hiring.

But the potential income section deffinetly takes the cake....

 

[burping_boy]

That whole site is the biggest load of crap I've ever seen.

 

[BigFlyr]

Interesting website that TAB is providing....

Did you know that a pilot who spends 10 years at a major will only make $53,640 more then a pilot who spends 10 years at ASA?

I was also not aware that a 10 year ASA Capt. made over $160,000.

Can anyone from ASA actually verify this? Sounds like BS to me.

By the way, you want cheap "turban time", go to the Middle-East. There's no such thing as cheap "turbine time" unless the company pays for your training.

 

[altimaklr]

You've gotta be kidding me??!

Tab charges enough to make anyone want to curl up into a ball and die.. Can you believe people will pay $64K for 357 hours? Nuts...


From TAB's website:


* Zero time to a job (357 hrs total) 6 $63,711
*Private Single Engine Land (SEL) to job 4-5 $59,500
*Private Multi Engine Land (MEL) to job 4-5 $56,211
*Private Single Engine/Instrument to job 4-5 $56,211
*Private Multi Engine/Instrument to job 3-4 $51,079
*Commercial Single Engine/Instrument to job 3-4 $51,079
*Commercial Multi Engine/Instrument to Job 3-4 $46,500
NEW Airline Pre-Job Prep Course
( Requested by American Eagle Airlines New Hire Program)

**Pilot with 1000+ hours total (100 hours MEL) 2 $18,000

 

[Checks]

This is the problem with our industry. People are willing to pay to get ahead. Sad.

What makes me even sadder is that I had a commercial student who at 250hrs went to Flight Safety's ASA bridge program(after paying his 32K) and now is flying the line there. When he first told me he was going there I told him he was an idiot but now I wonder if I am the real idiot. My ATP and 1000hrs ME wont even get me an interview at a regional.

 

[350DRIVER]

I have absolutely NO respect for this operation> "Tab A$$" Express. It is an absolute insult to read their web page & I hope enough will stay away from there. Why in the world would a pilot with 1000TT & 100 "buy" sim/ king air time.?? This makes about as much sense as goin down to Gulf Joke "renting" the right seat of a 1900 out. Any opinions on how these programs are effecting people who come up through the instructing ranks and desire to fly for a regional? I am just curious since apparently the "inside" track leads to an interview......

C H E E R S

3 5 0

 

[avbug]

Preach to the choir, kids. Same story, different year.

If you want to build hours, write them in your logbook. Falsify them. Make them up. After all, if it's hours you're after, what does it matter.

Forget hours. Build experience. Experience cannot be bought. Hours mean nothing, ability will keep you alive, and keep you employed. Build experience and ability.

Or just write in the time in your logbook. It's up to you.

 

[LearLove]

Amen to that Mr. Avbug

 

[bobbysamd]

To pick up, or not to pick up, the TAB

Apologies to Shakespeare.

To save all the trouble, this link will take you to the current TAB discussion on the Training section of the board. I do appreciate Tri-Driver's comments in this thread and on that thread.

I keep hearing that the place is only a school. Okay, then, just for the sake of argument, I would expect quite a bit more than what the $63K course provides. For example, how about 141 approval? I've read the TAB website many times and never saw anything about the place being a 141 flight school. 141 connotes a certain measure of quality and consistency. You should expect that quality if you're going to pay that kind of money for flight training.

I kind of like the idea of learning to fly in turbine equipment and taking a true, airline-quality course. However, the advantage will be lost when (1) you look for a job at 300 hours, not get hired, end up getting a CFI (and spending more money), build post-grad hours in recips and your turbine currency goes stale, and (2) a recruiter sees that you built your turbine at a school, for which you (or Mom & Dad or Grandma) paid.

The history of some of these so-called airline-quality flight schools hasn't been good. For example, some people might remember an outfit called Air Carrier International Flight Academy. This was a school in Denver twelve years ago that promised airline-style ab initio training. I ordered literature from the place to see what it was about. The literature included a testimonial from some Continental Express bigshot who was pleased with the 300=hour graduates he hired from this school. In any event, the place went out of business in three years. I heard it ran up some major debt, but I'd bet another reason is word went out that it couldn't deliver on its promises.

Also, the section in the advertising about hiring is rich. Which commuters are hiring? Certainly, AE, to which the advertising make a pointed reference, is not. AE has a ton of furloughees to recall before it will resume hiring. The only regional airline where I've read consistent references about hiring is Comair. I don't think Comair will hire TAB grads, especially when it has so many from its school from which to choose.

Here's a Gulfstream thread that went on for three months.

I second Avbug. In the old days, they called it P-51 (Parker 51) time. People need to go to a school that provides that skills that are the most marketable. If they want to go to a school that has so-called "airline connections," they should ensure that the airline(s) in question are hiring and choose a school with solid, proven connections, i.e. Mesa or Comair.

Good luck with building the time you need.

 

[BigFlyr]

Re: ASA pay
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Originally posted by FlyingSig
Interesting website that TAB is providing....

Did you know that a pilot who spends 10 years at a major will only make $53,640 more then a pilot who spends 10 years at ASA?

I was also not aware that a 10 year ASA Capt. made over $160,000.
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Posted by:
CF34-3B1

I can verify it. I verify it IS BS.

Our current top rate is $102.59/hr Do the math.

 

[Timebuilder]

"Turbine Time" and "cheap" are usually mutually exclusive terms. If Eclipse can bring their aircraft to actual production at the prices they claim, then some enterprising flight instructor may start giving "jet lessons" somewhere, who knows.

Maybe the trick for you is to find a C90 owner who is willing to give instruction for the right price. I don't know if he could compete with Tab, but it might be worth asking about.

At any rate, nothing can stop you from learning about flying turbine powered aircraft. Find The Turbine Pilot's Flight Manual, and start learning about how these planes differ from the piston variety.

 

[JJJ]

Did you know that a pilot who spends 10 years at a major will only make $53,640 more then a pilot who spends 10 years at ASA?

This can be very miseading, while at the same time true. To the best of my knowledge Comair is a major, although not usually thought of a major in the sense of having big airplanes. Revenue is what counts. If you compare ASA to Comair, it would only be a 5,360 a year difference.

Does anyone know what an ASA capt would make at 10 years with 1000 flt hrs/yr + check airman over ride for the same amount + extra for duty, trip rigs. etc? That might explain how they got to the 160,000 figure.

Even if it is true, it's still misleading and used on purpose to mislead potential students. Anyone that teaches there, works there, or is associated with that place should be ashamed.

 

[MetroSheriff]

Hello fellow Aviators

I need to build about 250 to 300 hours of flight time Cheap and quickly...Can Anyone help....

Try your friendly U.S. Navy or Air Force recruiter. It won't cost you a dime.

 

[9rj9]

If you have 63K

go to law school. Buy your own plane.

 

[TriDriver]

Right you are, avbug, when you write: "experience can't be bought...build experience and ability". That's what we're trying to do at TAB Express. It's a program very much like what I did when I instructed for the Navy in the T-34C for 3 years. After their primary training, students didn't get a CFI and fly a C-172 for a year. If they were going to the P-3 or C-130 they continued their training in the T-44 (Navy version of the C-90 King Air). They built experience flying a turbine powered, pressurized airplane in a multi-crew environment. They flew the airways, working with ATC to dodge thunderstorms and deal with icing and all the other things they might experience in the plane they're going to fly out in the fleet. That's exactly what we're doing at TAB.

JJJ thinks I should be ashamed to work at TAB Express. Sorry triple J, but I'm proud to be working there with about 4 furloughed Delta pilots and several other airline types. I'm a working airline pilot, so I've told the Chief Pilot that I only want to work when he really needs me, and I fly about 2 or 3 days a month. I don't want to take any work away from the guys that really need it. BTW, we have a group of really great CFI's that do the Pvt/Comm/ME/Inst training, before the students get to us airline guys and the King Air.

I agree with everybody that doesn't like the marketing hype on the website. I don't either, and I'm going to talk to the boss about it. However, every student there has made it past the marketing spin when making a decision to go there. Nobody's there with any misguided expectations they get from the website. Management is continually going to AEPS and ARINC type seminars and making a pitch to airlines. They like to think they're going to get some kind of a hook-up with some regionals, but every student there knows there is nothing firm at this time. Every student there is putting out a lot of money, and they've made a pretty good analysis of where they want to train. If they don't like TAB, they go somewhere else. Sorry, but there is good enrollment and increasing all the time.

Yes it is expensive, but like I said above, if you don't like the program, go somewhere else. If you come to TAB, I look forward to helping you build some experience in a turbine powered, pressurized airplane flying like the airlines do.

TriDriver Bob

 

[Obi-Wan]

Try Alpine air !!!