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Well, the discussion in flowing that's for sure!!! Lots of good points but far too much emotion in some to carry much water. I am not going to take anyone's personal attacks and attempts to define my motives based on THEIR reading and interpretation of my post personally... I stand by what I posted, it is based on my experience. I agree that is always easier to point the finger at someone else, but I also learned long ago that when I point one finger at someone, four remain pointed back at me--note my use of brackets in the title of the post around the word they-- it implies a certain degree of accomplice thus THEY really becomes US. The easy answer is that EVERYTHING rests on the PIC as the final authority to conduct flight. However, stubbornly holding to this allows other folks to escape responsibility and accountability for, well, lets just call 'em less than smart decisions, especially if the PIC just happens to miss something, and being human this is always a possibility. Many PICs obviously feel that they are super human by attaining PIC designation and therefore do not make mistakes. Some so take this final authority to heart that they become complete assses to all around them and become a destabilizing force in the cockpit and in their department. We (dispatch, managers, line service, maintenance, pilots) all have our parts to play, 'nuff said for now.
 
flyr4hire said:
Well, the discussion in flowing that's for sure!!! Lots of good points but far too much emotion in some to carry much water. I am not going to take anyone's personal attacks and attempts to define my motives based on THEIR reading and interpretation of my post personally... I stand by what I posted, it is based on my experience. I agree that is always easier to point the finger at someone else, but I also learned long ago that when I point one finger at someone, four remain pointed back at me--note my use of brackets in the title of the post around the word they-- it implies a certain degree of accomplice thus THEY really becomes US. The easy answer is that EVERYTHING rests on the PIC as the final authority to conduct flight. However, stubbornly holding to this allows other folks to escape responsibility and accountability for, well, lets just call 'em less than smart decisions, especially if the PIC just happens to miss something, and being human this is always a possibility. Many PICs obviously feel that they are super human by attaining PIC designation and therefore do not make mistakes. Some so take this final authority to heart that they become complete assses to all around them and become a destabilizing force in the cockpit and in their department. We (dispatch, managers, line service, maintenance, pilots) all have our parts to play, 'nuff said for now.
Flyr, nice sum-up. When put that way, I agree whole-heartedly with what you are trying to say. Safety is obtained by all parts of the flying company working together towards a common goal. The pilots ARE the last line of defense, and sometimes ARE the sole cause of the problem. But more common then that, an accident is something that could have been prevented by any number of people stepping in and changing the chain of events.

Keep your eye on safety and you will live a long, happy life in aviation as I have.

Ace
 
was there not a recent article in ProPilot that showed 135 accidents vs 91 accidents... Confusing the issue were some accidents put in the 135 camp were actually tail end 91 flights.
 

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