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Jim quoted:

Is there a single engine turbine airplane that wieghs over 12,500 pounds??


Fred Ayres in Albany, GA developed a single propellar twin turbine aircraft called the Loadmaster LM200...well over 12,500 lbs. Don't know if this would qualify for single or multi engine. FedEx ordered 50 before Ayres Aircraft went into bankruptcy. Don't know if the aircraft will ever get produced.

Since Ayres declared bankruptcy last November, development of the Loadmaster LM200 has slowed considerably, although the FAA recently issued a notice of proposed special conditions regarding certification of the aircraft. These flight-test special conditions, Ayres certification manager Jim Hill told AIN, concern testing of the airplane with its Fadec- controlled propulsion system unit failed and one engine inoperative. The Loadmaster is designed to be powered by two CTP800-4T turboprop engines driving a single Hamilton Standard propeller via a GKN Westland combining gearbox.

According to the FAA, “This airplane will have novel or unusual design features associated with centerline thrust. The applicable airworthiness regulations do not contain adequate or appropriate safety standards for this design feature. These proposed special conditions contain the additional safety standards that the Administrator considers necessary to establish a level of safety equivalent to that established by the existing airworthiness standards.”

Other special conditions, relating to fire protection in the Loadmaster’s cargo and baggage compartments, were issued in final form by the FAA in early April. These conditions specify the certification provisions the Loadmaster must meet, in addition to the requirements in Part 23, when operating in all-cargo and combination cargo/ passenger (combi) configurations.

Despite this progress and the limited work being done on the Loadmaster prototype in Albany, Ayres said it is extremely difficult to estimate first flight and certification dates for the airplane until Ayres is restructured.
 
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Fedex 1000 pic

SNA,

The Fedex requirement is 1000 PIC in jets or multi-engine. I have lots of T-34C time but not enough P-3 PIC time to apply. Even asked them at a conference and they restated "jet or multi-engine".

Good Luck,
shootr
 
We used to contract them out for the same weight in cargo as the Metro II (3000lbs) and they were cheaper to operate than the Cessna 404's, while carrying 1000lbs more and only 5kts slower.

Our 404's would carry 3000 lbs and Ive never seen a C-208 do 180 KTS either! Fastest Ive seen a caravan go is about 150 kts true at the lower altitudes. We used to fly a C402 out of Brownwood TX to San Antonio and the Fedex caravan would take off first. we would have to wait 5 minutes for him to get into radar contact and get released. 20 minutes later we are passing him and climbing throught his altitude.
 
150???

Well, I just came back from Wichita, KS this morning at 6,000, OAT was +13 C, and my TAS was 166, and that was with an extremely reduced power setting to increase the TBO's on our engines. 180 seems a little excessive, but I have no doubt with a little higher power setting, you could get 175 easy. BTW, I was at 1300 FTLBS, and 1850 RPM. And also, it was in a straight 208 with the 600 SHP PT-6.
 
"Our 404's would carry 3000 lbs and Ive never seen a C-208 do 180 KTS either! Fastest Ive seen a caravan go is about 150 kts true at the lower altitudes. We used to fly a C402 out of Brownwood TX to San Antonio and the Fedex caravan would take off first. we would have to wait 5 minutes for him to get into radar contact and get released. 20 minutes later we are passing him and climbing throught his altitude."

The 404 I flew had an empty weight of 5200lbs and a max take off of 8000lbs. You do the math. I think 3000lbs in a 404 is a little off. Also, Fed Ex caravans have tattle tales in them. They fly them pulled way back to increase TBO. We did not have them where I flew and I used to pass up Fed Ex caravan in my 208B Caravan. I admitt you usually did about 175-170 TAS but I have seen 180TAS many times with the little true airspeed dial on the ASI. The 402C is faster than the B so I don't doubt your story. Even in a 402B you would be quite a bit faster than a Fed Ex caravan.
 
big single

w8n4swa said:
Jim quoted:

Is there a single engine turbine airplane that wieghs over 12,500 pounds??

The F-16C/D (single engine turbine) has a 42,300 lbs MTOW

The F-105F has a 54,027 lbs MTOW


Cheers
George
 

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