Whats up with TSA

[inbound]

When going to a interview with TSA, are you interviewing for GO JETS or TSA?
Will they let you know at the interview or will they tell you three months down the road when you get your class date. Without GO JETS is TSA a good airline to fly for?

 

[061984]

If you are interviewing for a job with Trans States then that is who you will fly for (if you get the job). I would confirm though before you come to St. Louis. Flying for Trans States is great if fly the contranct and leave it all at work when you go home. The pilot group is second to none. I would recommend getting on quick so all them dipsh!ts at Blowjets will be stapled to the list below you.

 

[jtf]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if the interview was for Trans States, but then when it came time for class your choice became GoJets or nothing (after you had quit your other job and had little or no choice but to accept). That is the kind of crap management likes to pull at Trans States and since GoJets is being run by a bunch of Trans States managers who now are "officially" GoJets managers I can see it as a very real possibility. When the current management brought in the CQFOs they gave many (not all) the choice of CQFO or nothing after they were already here and in or finnishing up basic indoc. I certainly hope GoJets goes to one list soon and those there pre one list get stapled or worse, but even if that doesn't happen- don't be surprised to see all kinds of scumbag management tactics with this group.

 

[millhouse21]

In my class, nobody was asked if they would like to become a CQFO. It was an assignment handed out along with ERJ FO, J41 FO, and ATR FO. If somebody got it and didn't like it, they knew where the door was. That was your only option. Actually, the CQFO deal was a good example of why Blow Jet will be a BAD place to work. They hired CQFOs (some are still bidding as capts) when they had a union in place and in violation of the contract. I know there was a grey area and a small loophole in the contract but they drove a truck through it. Anyway, what do you think the odds are that they will ever upgrade an FO at GoJets? I mean, they could just hire a street capt and leave you in the right seat. Don't like it? You know where the door is.

 

[Wacko]

Man, that stinks about your theory on interviewing at Trans States and being tricked into Go-Jets.

What airplanes is Trans States currently hiring for? I have a resume in there and want to avoid the Go Jets thing like the plague.

What is Quality of life like as far as days off go, time on reserve, and upgrade time? Is airline pilot pay accurate as far as pay and per diem?

 

[FLYINGBOAT]

Tsa, A Great Pilot Group To Work With

Hi there,

You probably will get hired for the EMB 145 OR THE J41. I can't tell you what their strategy will be as far as getting you into GoJet or TSA . bUT BECAREFULL .

TSA , itself . on line is cool place to work, Guys are all good people and if you are a cool guy you will fit right in .

 

[Wacko]

Here is another question,
how do you apply since the email link on the website doesn't work?

also any QOL answers would be great. Upgrade times?

 

[AviatorTx]

How do you apply for Go-Jet?

Come on, it could be fun. Show up with your best suit. Look good. Then when the HR people or pilot interviewer asks you why you want to work for Go-Jet, tell them... "Wait, I thought this interview was for TSA. I would rather go shovel sh*t somewhere than fly for your P.O.S. operation."

The look on their face would be priceless. If I lived in STL I would have to do this.

 

[snap145]

im supposed to be interviewing there soon hopefully and i really want the job but if they say the "G" word in the interview im out like a fat kid in dodgeball.....

 

[JackFlyer]

AviatorTX.....

You are a very vocal, and judging by your icon under your name, a very prejudicial minority. A typical Texan.

So if TSA pilots were to fly the 70 seat jets.... Should AA pilots say that the TSA guys are SCAB's for busting the APA SCOPE Limits? Should the the AA pilots deny the jumpseats to the TSA guys for the AX violations? Should not the AE pilots deny the Jumpseat to the TSA pilots now?

FOR GOD SAKE.... TSA PILOTS ARE FLYING EAGLE PLANES..... HOW MUCH MORE OF A CONTRACT VIOLATION IS THAT???

I hate to rehash an old old thread...but several people on here are acting like 3rd graders.... Mommy Mommy Billy called me a name...

GROW THE F%$K UP!!!

 

[MINIME]

AviatorTX.....

You are a very vocal, and judging by your icon under your name, a very prejudicial minority. A typical Texan.

So if TSA pilots were to fly the 70 seat jets.... Should AA pilots say that the TSA guys are SCAB's for busting the APA SCOPE Limits? Should the the AA pilots deny the jumpseats to the TSA guys for the AX violations? Should not the AE pilots deny the Jumpseat to the TSA pilots now?

FOR GOD SAKE.... TSA PILOTS ARE FLYING EAGLE PLANES..... HOW MUCH MORE OF A CONTRACT VIOLATION IS THAT???

I hate to rehash an old old thread...but several people on here are acting like 3rd graders.... Mommy Mommy Billy called me a name...

GROW THE F%$K UP!!!

Actually Aviator Tx., has it right on

AX violations: managements come up with those tactics NOT pilots

Flying Eagle planes: pilots just get releases and fly assigned aircrafts not knowing half of the time where the hell they came from

TSA pilots flying 70 seaters: again someone already employed with that company cannot deny to fly an assigned airplane, solution; AA drops the codeshare

Telling a Gojet interviewer to go blow himself: PRICELESS

 

[JackFlyer]

Oh your totally right..... I completly forgot that the pilots started GoJet.

I stand corrected.

I can only guess as to the amount of bitching by the TSA pilots if AA droped the code share. They would probly ask for lists of the AA pilots, deny AE and AA the jumpseats, say that the flying is their and it is SCABed work.

This GoJet airline is Legal and Legitimate. TSA is upset because their MEC screwed up. ALPA is upset because the TSA MEC screwed up.

Maybe it is the TSA MEC that needs to be looked at again. Focus some time and energy there and I think things would change sooner than bitching here.

 

[MINIME]

Oh your totally right..... I completly forgot that the pilots started GoJet.

I stand corrected.

I can only guess as to the amount of bitching by the TSA pilots if AA droped the code share. They would probly ask for lists of the AA pilots, deny AE and AA the jumpseats, say that the flying is their and it is SCABed work.

This GoJet airline is Legal and Legitimate. TSA is upset because their MEC screwed up. ALPA is upset because the TSA MEC screwed up.

Maybe it is the TSA MEC that needs to be looked at again. Focus some time and energy there and I think things would change sooner than bitching here.

Again, anytime any type of flying is lost Regional or Mainline, lives are going to be affected. Yes, I imagine people would bitch and complain but only because their livelyhood might be getting affected. I doubt anyone with any common sense whatsoever, would blame the AA pilots personally for decisions made by AA management. Once again, pilots don't have ANY control over those decisions. When was the last time you decided what airplanes your company flew and where to fly them?

Gojet might and I stress the word might, appear to be legal to some because of some big shot lawyer's interpretation of a loophole in a contract. The word is still out on that one. However, you as an airline pilot should recognize the consequences of a union busting, wage downward driving, bottom feeder under cutting, alter ego such as gojet. And it should be a concern to you, me, and everyone that wants to make a career out of flying.

Agreed, pilots did not start Gojet. Pilots do choose however where they apply for work. After all the stuff that has been put on these boards and a little research, pilots who choose to apply at that company should know fully well that they are contributing to this industry's race to the welfare lines. Make no mistake about it, that is the real issue here, wages and quality of life. No mainline slots, lower wages. No good regional slots cause they've been spun off or forced to take concesions, even lower wages at bottom feeders. And the trend goes on and on..

Yes, perhaps Alpa has some responsibility here. I agree that new strategies need to formed at the national level and at the local level to combat these not so new threats.

 

[BoilerUP]

JackFlyer,

I find it somewhat telling that you have a large beef with the TSA MEC (placing the blame for GoJets on them), yet all I have seen and heard on this board, TSAlounge, and my conversations with Trans States pilots is complete faith in the MEC and Dario.

Tell us again - what they could/should have done to avoid this problem? What would YOU have done if you were on the MEC? And why don't you volunteer for a leadership position, if you have such a problem with the current leadership?

 

[pkober]

I don't know much about Go-Jet, but as a former ALPA member it seems that once again ALPA has dropped the ball.

Why didn't TSA MEC work to make sure that this didn't happen?

Everyone who is part of ALPA and not a pilot with one of the Big Boys, (UAL, DAL. etc.), should realize that ALPA doesn't care about your concerns. As long as the TSA pilots continues to put money into the ALPA bank account then ALPA is happy.

Calling Go-Jet guys scabs is pretty stupid. Do you call pilots who pick up extra trips while there are furloughs a scab? You should, because that is much worse than working for Go-Jet.

Isn't ALPA the wonderful organization that allows pilots to pay off there scab debt? What a truely principled union!

My 2 cents

CLAMBAKE

 

[snap145]

i have a TSA interview in a week and i made sure to ask on the phone who i was interviewing with....im still going to the inteview so take a guess which one its with......hoooooooooooooray GOJETS

 

[flyer172r]

When I interviewed at the end of April I asked the interviewer which one it was for, and he said he only worked for TSA. I guess I'll find out tomorrow when class starts which one it is.

Different question: What's a CQFO? Haven't heard that one before. I swear the moderators need to put a section on this board for acronym explanations.

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

flyer do they wait until ground school to tell you what plane you get?

 

[snap145]

Cqfo

I dont know what CQFO stands for but it essentially means a furloughed 121 pilot hired off the street who was already left seat at his/her previous carrier...what i dont know is if these new hire captains are getting hired on in the right or left seat....anyone with 121 expirience please chime in.....if you start class tomorow i HIGHLY doubt your goin to a blow jets class....my int is next week..im cranked...when you get an aircraft assignment PM me if ya dont mind...i reaaaally want the EMB!!!

 

[BoilerUP]

CQFO = captain qualified first officer = street captain = hardcore screwing of J41 FOs

 

[POKEY]

You get your airplane assignment in Indoc. If they give you the J41, RUN AWAY!!

 

[TWA Dude]

I dont know what CQFO stands for but it essentially means a furloughed 121 pilot hired off the street who was already left seat at his/her previous carrier...

Not all cqfo's were former part 121 nor were they all former captains; they just needed to have at least 3000 TT.

...what i dont know is if these new hire captains are getting hired on in the right or left seat...

No cqfo's have been hired since late 2003 -- and only a handful are left, most having moved-on or upgraded. And just FYI for those unfamiliar, cqfo's were permitted in the Contract. The big problem was TSA hiring cqfo's off the street versus using those already FO-qualified, which was the intent of the provision. It's still being grieved.

 

[millhouse21]

Actually, the last batch started in Jan 2004.