Whats the "working under part 135" stufs

[Archer]

Can someone enlighten me on what "working under part 135" or whatever other FAR means?

Once you get your Commercial...are total time restrictions (along with multi time or turbine time etc) the only restrictions to what kind of a job you can apply to?

So you can't hope to get a job with a Regional unless you have say 1500 hours?

and I also heard you can't sit on the left seat of an airliner unless you have an ATP...is this true?

thanx

Archer

 

[bobbysamd]

Answers

If a pilot says that he/she is "working" under a particular section of the FARs, it means that section governs his/her operations. For example, Part 135 governs charter and air tax ops (some commuter airlines ops have fallen under 135 as well). Part 121 govern scheduled airline ops.

Multiple sections of the FARs govern most operations. For example, at Purdue you might be flying at an FAA-approved flight school. Part 141 governs such schools. However, some aspects of Part 61, which govern airman certification, may apply. All flight operations fall under Part 91, which set forth the general operating rules for all flying.

Your Commercial certificate only means you can fly for hire. The FARs may affect the particular flight operations for which you are working, and the minimum time requirements. For example, you need 500 hours to be PIC under VFR for Part 135. 1200 hours and a few other things for IFR PIC under Part 135.

You are correct that you must possess an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate to be Captain at a scheduled airline. Accordingly, you must have at least 1500 total hours to be eligible for an ATP.

As far as the regionals are concerned, each airline sets its own minimum requirements for hire. When I was in the regional airline market 10 to 15 years ago, the regionals' standard minimums were 1500 total time and 500 of multi. Some demanded the ATP prior to hire; for others, you needed an ATP to warrant any serious consideration. There are some regionals who hire FOs with less time; i.e. Mesa has been 1000 total-100 multi forever. Quite a few regionals now have lesser quals than the 1500 total-500 multi I stated above.

As a practical matter, there is a big difference between published hiring minima and competitive minima. The quality of the applicant pool drives competitive minima. Therefore, you may need substantially more experience than published requirements to receive serious consideration. On the other hand, when hiring is brisk, airlines may not be able to find applicants who meet their quals (do not construe this to mean "pilot shortage" - there is no pilot "shortage"!). In that case, they lower their quals and the void is filled.

Hope that helps.

 

[Rick1128]

ATP

An ATP is alway required for PIC's of passenger carrying jets when operating under FAR 135. And for SIC's of Part 121 Flag Carriers.

As for flight time requirements. While the FAR's set the minimums. The insurance companies set the requirements. Their requirements are almost always higher than the FAR requirements. They really control much of the hiring practices in the industry. How much higher depends on the company's past record and relationship with the insurance carrier. It's training program. Type aircraft. And all the types operated are part of the consideration. What type of operation the operator does. The areas of operation. The Operations Specifications. These all have an effect on the insurance rates and requirements. And therefore effect the hiring process.

In 'special' cases the operator can ask for consideration. I had one F/O that didn't meet the ME time requirement. But when asked the insurance company accepted the simulator experience he got will an intern at FlightSafety. And I was able to hire him.

 

[Archer]

The FARs may affect the particular flight operations for which you are working, and the minimum time requirements. For example, you need 500 hours to be PIC under VFR for Part 135. 1200 hours and a few other things for IFR PIC under Part 135.

Can you guys tell me more of these "examples"?

So 500 hours total to be able to fly for an air charter or air taxi under VFR? Doesn't that limit the flying considerably because of perhaps lack of VMC?

So basically, when you get your Commercial and have about 250 or so hours, you can't apply for any real job?

I really would like to get an idea of the types of jobs a pilot can get...I think I've talked about this in another thread...but here are the ones I know off starting off with the low-time req. jobs:

Banner Towing
Sightseeing tours
Slurry bomber
Bush pilot
Ferry pilot (whatever that is)
pipeline patrol (whatever that is)

then you got the "medium category" or whatever(part 135?):

air taxi
air charter


then you got the biggies (Part 121 I'm guessing?):

corporate
regionals
majors
cargo

then you got medevac and law enforcement...

?

Archer

 

[bozz66]

Archer,

I am a pipeline patrol pilot. We pipeliners inspect oil fields and pipelines for leaks and other problems. All you need for this job is a commercial single engine land certificate. The catch is with the insurance folks. While the FAA requires only 250 hours for the commercial, for a pipeline pilot, the insurance requires you to have at least 1,500 hours total time( received most of this instructing ). Although this isn't the most glamourous of flying jobs, it is still flying. Sure beats working for a living

So hurry up and get your hours... someone has to replace me on the pipeline when I move to the right seat of a 777

Best of luck to you,
Mark

 

[Archer]

You have 8000+ hours?!!@!

I see regional pilots and corporate pilots with less than half as much of what you have...

is there something I'm not seeing?

And about me getting the hours...I've come to the conclusion that I want to constatly train for the next 3 or so years. I'm nearly there with my PPL...after that I'll get my IR (that'll take me forever) and fly for a long while...and maybe in a couple of eons take Commercial lessons and multi...couple of eons are the key words!

I can't even get x/c planning straight yet...though I havn't had much practice...or x-wind landings! I feel like a bouncy ball rather than an airplane training to land on a runway!

Archer