Whats the scuttlebut on Steve Forte? (UA)

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Why did he "resign"?

 

[32LT10]

Forte told too many people in high places the airline was properly staffed. The weekend after Fathers day the airline had high cancelations due to lack of reserves. Going against Forte was a week of T-stms in DEN/ORD that caused major schedule disruptions, also the narrow body and 767 lines are built to the cap. With a short delay the pilots find themselves over max, and because we have pilots on the street you can not opt over max so the company has to whack your next trip. This all occured on the traditional short crew period of the last week of the month. All of a sudden Forte is having to explain why there were so many KF's for the period.

I was told by a friend on the MEC that Forte was fired by Tilton for not being realistic in his crew planning model. Also, there is said to be email traffic from Carlson to Forte requesting more bodies and which Forte replied that Carlson was wrong.

As a result you have a 50 year old guy retiring and he will probably move up in the world at another compnay.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

Gee that's too bad about all those cancellations. I'll bet there were a lot of really pissed of (now former) United passengers.

You think it will be a couple of months or a couple of years before United is back in bankrupcy?

On second thought, they will probably stay out of bankruptcy due to those bottom rung pay rates that the pilots overwhelmingly voted in.

 

[32LT10]

Gee that's too bad about all those cancellations. I'll bet there were a lot of really pissed of (now former) United passengers.

You think it will be a couple of months or a couple of years before United is back in bankrupcy?

On second thought, they will probably stay out of bankruptcy due to those bottom rung pay rates that the pilots overwhelmingly voted in.

Well as long as you have guys paying to get jobs flying RJ's you will have pressure from the top to keep dropping benefits and wages. Too many "wannabe" pilots to convince the companies that pilots are worth their salary. Reminds of when I saw the Eaglet pilots in ORD wearing the "i'll fly and 80 for 80" pins back in the day. A sad commentary on the world of aviation.

It sure has been peaches and cream since Lorezo was around. By the way Frankie how is it knowing that you are banned from an industry? Too bad you don't subscribe to the Ken Lay health plan.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Gee that's too bad about all those cancellations. I'll bet there were a lot of really pissed of (now former) United passengers.

You think it will be a couple of months or a couple of years before United is back in bankrupcy?

On second thought, they will probably stay out of bankruptcy due to those bottom rung pay rates that the pilots overwhelmingly voted in.

GET A LIFE!

Soooo your hobby is to play "Frankie Smooth talk" on Flightinfo.com?

A new low!

 

[007]

Well as long as you have guys paying to get jobs flying RJ's

Who's paying to fly RJ's? I only know that 1900 craphole in Florida!

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Who's paying to fly RJ's? I only know that 1900 craphole in Florida!

I think he is talking about PFT. Ya know the $50,000 CAPT program, and the $12,500 CRJ type rating programs etc....

I don't know of any UAL Express carriers that are PFT But I am just a mainline guy so what do I know?

 

[Rogue5]

I don't know of any UAL Express carriers that are PFT But I am just a mainline guy so what do I know?

Mesa ("Air Shuttle") runs the PACE program. Come to their school with a Commercial ticket already, drop some serious coin, get a chance to be a real airline pilot.

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Not exactly PFT, but close enough to turn my stomach...

 

[32LT10]

Rogue,

You are correct. Those MESA programs put very low time pilots in the RJ's. Not to say a low time pilot is unsafe, just not sure the combination of low wages and low qualifications make for a stellar operation. Someone on the flight deck needs to have some experience.

 

[007]

I'll be dammed. I thought Gulfstream were the only ones. Guess there is an endless supply of kids with rich daddies.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

Aw come on guys, you've got it all wrong! I'm on YOUR side! I LIKE those low pay rates! It's sensible pilots such as yourselves that realize that you were grossly overpaid, and the really important place to invest money in the airline is in the executive suite.

Glenn Tilton is a pillar in the community. Salt of the earth. Priceless leadership to guide the good ship "Ted" through trying times. How can you not want Glenn to get tens of millions. Just look at where Glenn has led you so far.

Yeah, so UniTed has had a few hiccups. Dozens of flight cancellations due to lack of crews, multi-billion dollar losses, "Ted", mediocre on-time and customer service ratings.

Once again, I tip my hat to you fellas. It's guys like you - willing to fly for bartender wages that allow moronic mistakes by management to have a minimal financial impact on the bottom line, the shareholders, and most importantly - exective bonuses.

I'll contact Anheuser Busch tomorrow to see if I can get a Bud Light "Real Men of Genius" ad made for you guys.

"Here's to you, Mr. Minimum Wage Airline Pilot Guy!"

 

[koko nw]

This from a girl who's company set a new standard in lowering the bar!


Speaking of the 80's remember when UAL had all those scabs working for them? Oh yeah, they still do. Also setting the standard low! But Yo Nited topped it all off with their EEOC practices in the 1990's! You go girl! Nothing working for a classy operation like UAL who's seniority list looks like a unicef box! Of course throw the scabs in there, and you've got the united nations!


Too bad your company doesn't subscribe to the scab plan! Spoken like a true hypocrite!

Do you have ANY idea of what our demographics is or you just pulling it out of your better end? Do you work here? then how would you know? or for that matter care?

Your post is both tasteless and lacking in any kind of decorum expected from a "fellow" airmen. But I guess that's what this board is turned into unfortunately. So before you desparage MY entire fellow UAL pilots with your nonesense, grow up! I'd guess the majority of our pilots would stack pretty well with anybody elses qualifications....including YOURS.

 

[Bosley]

Do you have ANY idea of what our demographics is or you just pulling it out of your better end? Do you work here? then how would you know? or for that matter care?

Your post is both tasteless and lacking in any kind of decorum expected from a "fellow" airmen. But I guess that's what this board is turned into unfortunately.

Maybe you should do a search of your friend 32's posts, and you'll see my response to him was right on target!

 

[koko nw]

Maybe you should do a search of your friend 32's posts, and you'll see my response to him was right on target!

Bosley I have no problem with you calling out another fella's B.S. I just guess it's a little strong to lump ALL of us and call us Yo-nited or a classless group simply by the indescretions of a few.....and let's face it every carriers got them. Peace out.

 

[32LT10]

This from a girl who's company set a new standard in lowering the bar!


Speaking of the 80's remember when UAL had all those scabs working for them? Oh yeah, they still do. Also setting the standard low! But Yo Nited topped it all off with their EEOC practices in the 1990's! You go girl! Nothing working for a classy operation like UAL who's seniority list looks like a unicef box! Of course throw the scabs in there, and you've got the united nations!


Too bad your company doesn't subscribe to the scab plan! Spoken like a true hypocrite!

This relates to Steve Forte in what manner?

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Maybe you should do a search of your friend 32's posts, and you'll see my response to him was right on target!

So who so you work for? And what is your beef with 32LT10?

EEOC at UAL? What about AA? and DAL? and SWA? (Fully paid Type scholarships for OBAP and WIA) Sucks to be a White boy huh? I should know..I AM ONE!

 

[PHXFLYR]

You gotta admit it though,guys . United really overplayed the EEOC card back then . I saw some great guys at the commuter I flew at with excellent
qualifications(one a Checkairman no less) get turned down only to have "Dolly Dimples" with all of 250hrs SIC turboprop in her logbook get the nod. I don't know..........


PHXFLYR

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I direct my anger towards the EEOC.

 

[Hvy]

You gotta admit it though,guys . United really overplayed the EEOC card back then . I saw some great guys at the commuter I flew at with excellent
qualifications(one a Checkairman no less) get turned down only to have "Dolly Dimples" with all of 250hrs SIC turboprop in her logbook get the nod. I don't know..........


PHXFLYR

It wasn't United's choice. The court ordered it. What part don't you understand about that?

 

[skykid]

You gotta admit it though,guys . United really overplayed the EEOC card back then . I saw some great guys at the commuter I flew at with excellent
qualifications(one a Checkairman no less) get turned down only to have "Dolly Dimples" with all of 250hrs SIC turboprop in her logbook get the nod. I don't know..........

Nonsense. I used to walk go into the crew areas at United and see what you see at all the other majors - 90% of the guys looked just like me. Mostly exmilitary and white. This myth is played out primarily by people who are pissed because they didn't get hired. United's safety record validates their hiring practices.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Nonsense. I used to walk go into the crew areas at United and see what you see at all the other majors - 90% of the guys looked just like me. Mostly exmilitary and white. This myth is played out primarily by people who are pissed because they didn't get hired. United's safety record validates their hiring practices.

If this indeed "validates their hiring practices" ,then explain the 1100 pilots they couldn't upgrade out of the F/E position ?


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

It wasn't United's choice. The court ordered it. What part don't you understand about that?

Nothing. I understand fully that UA was forced into this by the EEOC. What I am saying though is that based on what I saw ,they weren't neccesarily getting the best of the EEOC-qualified candidates. Granted what I saw makes up a very very small demographic of the pilot group as a whole, I still think there were better qualified candidates who met the EEOC requirements than what I saw get hired there at that time.


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

I direct my anger towards the EEOC.

I'm not angry. Just disappointed that the whole issue reached the point where the EEOC had to get involved.


PHXFLYR

 

[Hvy]

I'm not angry. Just disappointed that the whole issue reached the point where the EEOC had to get involved.


PHXFLYR

I'm sure that your airline has only hired "top notch" people. We both know better.

 

[32LT10]

If this indeed "validates their hiring practices" ,then explain the 1100 pilots they couldn't upgrade out of the F/E position ?


PHXFLYR

I have to raise the BS flag on that. What is your source of this grand statement? There is absolutely NO truth to that fact. If you are talking about the two seniority numbers we have/had at one time then you are sadly mistaken about how UAL accounted for its pilots.

The s/o sen# was not the number of s/o's that could not upgrade. If that was the case then why did not many of our pilot automatically move up 1000 numbers when the s/o airplanes were parked? In the majority of s/o's on the rope start 47 and the 10 were over 60 guys when they were parked. It made the 727 s/o position very senior also due to those guys being bidding back. The two numbers accounted for the over 60's and s/o positions. ALL under 60 pilots had a PILOT seniority and a S/O seniority number.

 

[skykid]

If this indeed "validates their hiring practices" ,then explain the 1100 pilots they couldn't upgrade out of the F/E position ?

Again, nonsense. I have to believe you are joking. Why not just say the number was 4000 F/E's that couldn't upgrade? While I was there, there were rumors of maybe a couple F/Os who would never upgrade to captain. I think every airline has a couple of those. 1,100 F/Es that couldn't upgrade - right. To make your BS more believable, you may want to do some research first - like how many F/Es total did the company even have.

I'm not sure how many different 737 captains I flew with while I was there - it had to be well over 100. Only two of them were women. They were both excellent pilots. One was exmilitary. Most of the other captains were exmilitary white guys. What a surprise.

 

[Hvy]

Nothing. I understand fully that UA was forced into this by the EEOC. What I am saying though is that based on what I saw ,they weren't neccesarily getting the best of the EEOC-qualified candidates. Granted what I saw makes up a very very small demographic of the pilot group as a whole, I still think there were better qualified candidates who met the EEOC requirements than what I saw get hired there at that time.


PHXFLYR

Also forgot to mention. I'm good friends w/ one of your Bus Captains. He was turned down at United because he had a previous bust on a checkride at his former airline. Your airline hired him. What would you make of that?

 

[GogglesPisano]

Also forgot to mention. I'm good friends w/ one of your Bus Captains. He was turned down at United because he had a previous bust on a checkride at his former airline. Your airline hired him. What would you make of that?

Not that you asked me, but turning a guy down because he busted one checkride (out of how many a guy has taken by the time they are competetive at a major -- 10 ... 15?) is retarded.

 

[Hvy]

Not that you asked me, but turning a guy down because he busted one checkride (out of how many a guy has taken by the time they are competetive at a major -- 10 ... 15?) is retarded.

Perhaps it is...but when you have hundreds (or thousands) of applicants it is certainly a way to narrow the field. Just like failing to have a degree when everyone else does. Or having multiple speeding tickets when everyone else doesn't.

By the way...I personally think that failing a checkride would be a big deal.

 

[climb2slow]

Or not having a type rating.....