Whats the percentage % of Washouts? any one knows?

[MEXICANFLYBOY]

I want to find out whats the washouts rate at the regionals, I only heard the guys that get hire, but what about the guys that don't make it? does that stay on your FAA Record? how does that works?


have you washout? tell me more about it!


thanks

 

[Mike man]

Well it all depends on where you go...
S.H. at CHQ his pass rate is 10%--I think the initals say it all...S... Head

R.J. at CHQ his pass rate is 90% or so until you go to an interview and they ask if you have ever failed a check ride, you say "NO" but Johnson-face Rick put a fail on your record because he is a spineless bastard

Pretty sure the airline must report a resignation due to poor performance in training to PIRA--but on that you resigned. I would say is way less than 20% probably closer to 8%-10% or so.

But why does it matter, if you want the job you should prepare yourself to make it through the class--not just pass enough to not fail out of the program.

 

[Andy Neill]

When I was at SkyWest, we had only 1-2% washout in ground school for academics. We would lose another 1-2% on sim/FTD and another 1% on IOE. We had exactly 1 washout for (would you believe?) static. Overall, I think the success rate was around 95%.

Those with English as a second language or with limited turbine time had their special challenges.

 

[30West]

Speaking from a training standpoint, it's getting very difficult to keep washouts to a minmum. Since over the last few years the average time and experience for new hires has fallen by almost 70%.

Most guys have great attitudes and want to learn, but the fact remains the experience level is just not there. I find myself teaching things like basic attitude instruments, energy management and even things like remembering to add power when levelling off after a descent.
This leaves little time to run through the amount system failures that we used to be able to do.

Some simply can't make it within the programmed time, plus an extra sim or two.

The guys who realize their experience handicap and are resourceful enough to study harder on their own rather than expect to be spoon fed usually do quite well.

 

[Black Hawk]

Most guys have great attitudes and want to learn, but the fact remains the experience level is just not there. I find myself teaching things like basic attitude instruments, energy management and even things like remembering to add power when levelling off after a descent.

Most of the new guys know how to fly. It's mostly a matter of getting them used to all the new bells and whistles and the faster pace of the airline environment. Some of the training programs need to be revised to match the experience level of the trainees.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I want to find out whats the washouts rate at the regionals, I only heard the guys that get hire, but what about the guys that don't make it? does that stay on your FAA Record? how does that works?


have you washout? tell me more about it!


thanks

At ASA it is about 3%.

 

[DrewBlows]

I don't know if these results are typical but at Skyway in 2004 8 of 11 passed (73%) 328JET initial training. I don't think anyone in the class had jet experience. Everyone who washed out did so in the simulator.

In 2005 at Comair 10 of 12 passed (83%) CRJ initial training. Two of us had jet experience and both passed. Both failures washed out in the simulator.

In my experience the pass rate at Skyway and Comair combined is 78%, I'm sure the rate varies greatly from company to company. Interestingly in every case the failures were the oldest guys in class. I have no idea what that means, if anything.

 

[7574EVER]

Out of my class at Eagle one guy on the saab was asked to resign during sim training. The one and only ATR guy busted his checkride and had a retaining session and passed second attempt. Four guys on the EMB busted the ride, retrained, and passed second attempt.

The way I understand it is if it's an INHOUSE SIC qualification ride it does not go on record that it was failed the first time around. The information is contained in your training folder which is destroyed (all failures included) at the end of training. In short, after your folder goes through the shredder there is no record of failed checkrides.....so the answer to "have you ever failed a 121 checkride" is...No. ***this does not apply to a PIC type ride

 

[A300FE]

Out of my class at Eagle one guy on the saab was asked to resign during sim training. The one and only ATR guy busted his checkride and had a retaining session and passed second attempt. Four guys on the EMB busted the ride, retrained, and passed second attempt.

The way I understand it is if it's an INHOUSE SIC qualification ride it does not go on record that it was failed the first time around. The information is contained in your training folder which is destroyed (all failures included) at the end of training. In short, after your folder goes through the shredder there is no record of failed checkrides.....so the answer to "have you ever failed a 121 checkride" is...No. ***this does not apply to a PIC type ride

What do you think happens when you are not INHOUSE, like the guys that go on the RJ at FS, you do not perform to standards on one approach, get re-trained by the examiner and pass the second time, all in one day. No pink slip, instead SIC type. Any records on that? Did you fail the checkride?

 

[rickair7777]

I have alawys considered a failure to consist of a terminated checkride which did not result in achieving the desired qualification. If you have to go get retrained, and come back another day, that's a checkride failure, and will almost certainly be in your record at that airline (and therefore will show up on PRIA requests). Even if instructors tell you it won't...it's the law. Not sure why anyone would violate federal law just to keep a new-hire's training record spotless.

The grey area event is where you botched a manuver and were given "on the fly" retraining and then allowed to repeat the event with a subsequent pass, all in the same session. This retraining may be noted in your record, and may very well show up on a PRIA request. I would not consider this a checkride failure, but might mention it at an interview just to deflect any confusion in case it shows up on PRIA... "I never failed a checkride, but I did have to repeat a no flap landing once during a checkride".

 

[ratherbeflyen]

We had exactly 1 washout for (would you believe?) static.

OK I give. In what part of training is "static" covered? Because I have no clue.

 

[SizzleChest]

The computer records may indicate the RETRAINING and RETESTING in the session even though a "S" is entered for the grade with SIC rides. When a PRIA request comes thru, they may return a report that INCLUDES the comment line. That would indicate the RTRN & RTST.... this is what RAH does.....

Guys have had other job offers rescinded after the PRIA records came thru from RAH.....

 

[Cardinal]

At Lakes it varies between 10-20%. My class 5 years ago was 25%, but the "old guard" was a little hardercore than the current regime.

 

[swordfish]

I know a guy that washed out of two airlines programs back to back then got on at Republic and is now inline for Captain's upgrade....another failed at republic and was immediately hired at Skywest and is now a Captain.

Failure is not an option...however if so than it is great experience for your next airline on how to be better prepared to make it.

 

[Dude]

It 's probably not so good for the mexicans.

Not a real bright question, dude.

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

OK I give. In what part of training is "static" covered? Because I have no clue.

What I think Andy is talking about, "Static"...is used to ensure flows and checklists are performed correctly prior to FTD then Simulator training.

It ultimately comes down to attitude.

If a static instructor sees that a pilot in training doesn't care to learn the flows, or checklists, then that is probably a good indicator of what will happen in FTD and the Sim.

 

[CX880]

I want to find out whats the washouts rate at the regionals, I only heard the guys that get hire, but what about the guys that don't make it? does that stay on your FAA Record? how does that works?


have you washout? tell me more about it!


thanks

Most who ask this question are low timers 200-500 hours, if you have 1000+ you should be able to pass 121 training. Therefore a failed would bring two outcomes for a 300 hour vs a 1000 hour pilot. One will probably not find another job and will resort in finding cheap operations that make you pay for training in the Bahamas, while the other will find another job because of their high time.

If you're a low timer who has even the slightest doubt about airline training don't even bother, especially if it's for a jet, even if by a miracle you make it through sim, ioe will be twice as hard. I remember in my class people who had 10-50 hours of multi with 200 hours who quickly showed themselves out the door. Just because airlines have lowered mins doesn't make it easier to get a job, it makes it harder to earn it.

 

[Kream926]

Well it all depends on where you go...
S.H. at CHQ his pass rate is 10%--I think the initals say it all...S... Head

i did my initial ride with him and didnt think it was all that bad

 

[TxPilot0878]

Out of 14 we lost 2 in indoc...the rest made it throught systems, CPT,...then we lost 3 more out of Sims and IOE....36% failure rate.

But in most instances if you can handle playing and working then have fun. If you can't...then do your 12oz curls on the weekend(1 night).

Most of the other classes lost 1-3 from what I have heard.

Hope this helps,

Tex

 

[DoinTime]

About 20-25% at Pinnacle wash out between first day of ground school and completion of OE. Reasons are across the board from failure to perform to failure to pass the background check.