What's really up at Flexjet?

[unclepetey]

Anyone know the real or rumored reason Monica was let go? I know it wasn''t because she was playing favorites with me but still sad to see anyone lose their job. As long as she wasn't spending half her day on the internet I hear that's better than some of the other office grunts I dont need to her personal business but thats a $hitload of longevity to be fired for something simple. Should make us all a little worried if it was.

News to me. She's a nice person. Was a little overwhelmed at times or they just threw too much at her. Like you say she was there for a while.

 

[dbman]

oh you done pissed her off now

is it just me or is anyone else feeling hot now dbman loves it when their angry

 

[netjetwife]

Flexwife, my husband also warned me that there can be a strong gender bias here at FI, but I chose to persevere, as you have. I'm glad I did as I have made friendships here and have learned a lot from participating in the discussions.

GF, lots of AF wives use pilot lingo like DNIF and TDY. My posts are regularly sprinkled with CMH (learned from my husband's emails) and TEB is used here a lot so it's easy to pick that one up. PFP, I often use QOL in my posts. I don't think it's just used by aviation, but regardless, it's easy to pick up here and sure saves a lot of typing. I agree that the spelling is a good clue that FW is female and so is your point, Imiss, about the lengthy, precise posting style. It seems that a wife posting here has to work doubly hard just to gain acceptance

My thanks to those of you who are willing to discuss the situation with us without all the unfair distractions. I agree with Imiss that a lot of wives probably read the board and have the same questions that FW does. I bet many NJ wives are also looking at how NJA is spending money these days with the same threat of furloughs hanging over their heads.

Doh, good point about the CAB (to borrow your lingo). Why has it disappeared? In times like these, communication is very needed to dispel rumors and keep morale up.

 

[FastJP4]

The messenger attacks and lack of respectable responses is very telling. Flexjet is definately going places - it's to bad the direction is they're going is backwards. You can thank FG and the complicit a$$ kissers on the upper half of the list for that.

 

[tomcat]

This is waay too fired up and specific to be someone's wife.

What in the heck is so wrong at Flexjet that y'all would rather discuss this "fluff" than the real issues. My entire family's financial future rests on what Flexjet does next so don't go down the road of making me feel like I don't have a right to be here or have to pretend to be a dumb a$$ man to be heard. Do you think if I really was a man or a dumb a$$ pilot I would pretend to be something I would know would immediatly discredit me in the eyes of 60% of the sexist idiots that post here.

My husband warned me this was a waste of time. But still I care to perservere.

Why doesn't management explain the charter $$ issue. If it is contract fees, fine. But if it was avoidable why not share with the pilot group each case so you can all learn from the circumstances and avoid them in the future. Why is even the simplest info so cryptic and closely guarded?

Why have any attempts from pilots to point out a cheaper flight or hotel or FBO met with ire or at the very least ambivelence?

Why does dispatch claim they have no idea what they are doing with you tommorow but AA already has your ticket purchased in your FF account?

Management does not trust a single one of you and tells you want they can either get away with or what they think you will believe. Those that believe you are one of the special few who is not in that group I have a bridge to sell you. Fact is if you don't go to waterview everyday, you are not part of the elite group that will either know all the facts or be protected when it all hits the fan. If it were any different there would be more transparency.

At my "real" job we have a monthly bonus program where we get 10% of whatever we can prove we saved the company over previously billed expenses. Why not institute a similar program at Flex? Why does this company take away in domicile hotels for first light mid rotation shows and standby crew meals but send guys to half crewed airplanes to sit in a hotel @150 a night? That is almost half an FO's daily rate and I'm sure it happens enough to have saved at least a few jobs. Even 80 would be better than 85 would it not?

Sorry for such a rant but you have pissed me off enoug h to feel compelled to respond on my iPhone and it's too hard to edit back down on this thing. You know technology and us girlie types... (And please catch the sarcasm for you idiots that will use that as proof of my manliness)

With all (due?) respect, I do not for one minute believe that the skepticism comes from sexism. The fact that you use that as a cop out is absolutely nuts. I have no doubt there are plenty of female pilots on this board who simply do not have to justify every post with "I'm a female pilot." The problem is that we have seen many posts by (fill in the blank fractional)wife for years. All of a sudden, there is a new (fill in the blank fractional)wife whose posts, when not saying "my husband says XXX" or "I hear XXX," sound just like a ranting pilot at said fractional. Further incriminating is the fact that the new fractionalwife decides to edit for grammar after a post gives them validation for proper spelling and grammar.
I'll crawl back into my hole now. Game On!

 

[flex*wife]

I'm tired of trying to prove something I can't so can we please just move on to the issues at hand and have real discussion about what is really going on at flexjet now.

If you have any respectful suggestions as to how I can prove I am in fact just a wife and you think it would add credence to my pleas for information, then by all means tell me. Otherwise just pretend I'm another pig of a man and answer the questions please.

 

[netjetwife]

Oh pleeeasssee...guys How many frac wives are out there? How many read this board? Imiss thinks many do and I agree. Some of them have even PMed me with questions over the years. I think more wives would post if they didn't get subjected to this attitude when they dare to discuss the issues with frac pilots. Ohhhh...I see...this is the way some of you go about trying to keep wives (not necessarily women) out of your self-perceived Pilot Members Only club? :erm: Not cool.

With all due (yes, TC, due ) respect, could we just focus on the issues? There are lots of frac pilots with families already furloughed and many more that are facing the very real possibility. A serious discussion of the current events would be more in keeping with their situation, wouldn't you agree? So.. to get us back on topic in a non-discriminating way...

Do frac pilots and/or their family members (see how easy it is to be inclusive...) think that the Preventive Measures package at NJA has raised expectations (to any degree) of what managers should do before they begin furloughing? Do you think it has helped the situation any at the other fracs? Is there an agreed-upon method in the industry of how the pilots think furloughs should be handled, including severance pay, seniority order, recall rights, etc? How about cost-savings that you expect to see first, such as reduced schedules, show-at-home, etc? My thanks to those of you willing to discuss the issues with frac wives. NJW

 

[HA25]

It's amazing, the woman comes on here, posts some legitimate questions and 2/3's of the thread is about whether she's who she says she is.. Welcome to the forums Flex*wife

 

[bmxandjets]

flex*wife, if it matters, i hope i one day have a wife who gives 10% the sh!t you do.. good on ya.. kudos to you too NJW.

 

[Flyingdog1]

flex*wife, if it matters, i hope i one day have a wife who gives 10% the sh!t you do.. good on ya.. kudos to you too NJW.

I think you may change your mind after you're married. You'll wish she'd go out and get her own job and mind their own business like NJW's and Flex wife's husbands do.

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

I think the mistakes you have made are subtle.... You slip by using pilot "lingo" here and there in your posts. For example using TEB instead of Teterboro. Its sort of like someone from NYC trying to hide that fact by faking a Mississippi accent. My wife was an Air Force flight nurse on C-130s and C-141 ... she wouldn't use TEB in a post.

Of course, if you happen to be a private pilot or have some other aviation background ... that would explain why you could sound like a pilot trying to cover up that fact.

On the other hand ... you write and spell too well to actually be a pilot. :laugh:

Come on Gunfyter, if you were a Cobra driver at one time (Corp or Army) and married while serving then you know that Household Six (Army reference) picks up on things. Hell, when I text my wife and tell her where I am I don't use complete spelling. I use three letter IDs like TEB or OWB or DAL. She knows to much military and aviation slang by now and makes life easy when writing.

Even if it isn't a woman, I believe it is, then who cares!! Let's find out what is really going on within Flex. If I say 'HEY' to one on the road then I'd like to know why I don't receive a friendly 'how's it going' back. These brothers need to find a hope during their day.

 

[Club ORD FO]

I'm not so sure about recalls in the fall. They said that if we get busy again, they are going to increase the number of days we work before they recall. So I guess that will be the first sign of things improving.

 

[unclepetey]

I'm not so sure about recalls in the fall. They said that if we get busy again, they are going to increase the number of days we work before they recall. So I guess that will be the first sign of things improving.

I agree, they said right after the furloughs that they might increase the days back to 16 in the fall for the busy season.

I say leave it at 14 and bring some people back, but that won't happen. At some point there has to be some attrition I hope. Even in bad times there are people moving on to something else.

 

[FastJP4]

I'm not so sure about recalls in the fall. They said that if we get busy again, they are going to increase the number of days we work before they recall. So I guess that will be the first sign of things improving.

As bad as things are, the furloughed Flex guys have a better chance getting a job "out there" vs. getting back with Flex. Current live numbers are dismal to put it mildly. If/when they start to pick up - they will increase back to 16 per period. After that, they will pay OT in addition to the 16 if flying increases further - and rest assured those picking up OT could care less about those on the street.

Nope, if your one of the Flex 85 - best be looking elsewhere. The two year recall (can you say lame) will come and go before call backs. You guys should look at FG's history - it's there for the reading.

The once decent Flex job will continue to spiral down the $hitter as long as FG is there and the upper 1/2 of the list stays intact.

 

[netjetwife]

Only a 2 yr recall?! Yes, I can say lame. For comparison, when my husband was furloughed from AA (brief stint ended by 9-11) the pilots got a 7 yr recall. Closer to home, NJA pilots have unlimited recall rights. 2 yrs isn't just lame, it's downright lousy!

I'm afraid that Fast is right. 2 yrs probably isn't enough time for the recovery. The long term leave of absence (LTLOA) being offered at NJA is 3 yrs. It was designed with an eye toward the junior pilots most at risk of being furloughed. Considering that the LTLOA will pay 1K a month plus benefits, I don't think NJA would have agreed to 3 yrs if it was possible to recover in 2. I can never understand why some managers won't do the right thing (long recall) even when there's little or no cost...

My sympathy to the Flex 85 and their families.
Netjetwife