what were payrates from last AAI TA?

[Eagle757shark]

Thanks for the responses. From what yall can tell, are CA's ok w/ FOs getting $20-30/ hour raises and them not getting as much?

If the vote was tomorrow and it included $30/ hour raises for FOs and $10/ hour raises for CAs what else would be needed to make everyone satisfied?

Wood pecker, TA2 was a joke! A new contract is more than just a hourly payrate. SCOPE (number one for me, give away your job and pay means nothing), Scheduling, Insurance, Duty Rigs, Retirement are all important. Like someone mentioned above, you have to evaluate the whole contract and not just a hourly payrate. Another thing that AirTran pilots want is transparency and language that is clear and definitive. In our current CBA, scheduling loves to change the terms of what is written. Our current CBA is to vague in its language and that needs to be corrected in the next contract. From what I read in TA1 and TA2, the NPA did not correct that problem. ALPA national has a track record of improving CBA language.

 

[wood pecker]

If you get asked what you expected in order to vote yes what would you say.

What type of scope? for ex: some are pleased w/ Skywest while others feel all flying should be done by AAI pilots. Scope is a major item that could sink the next vote.

What will it take for a senior person to bid reserve other than getting Xmas off? Everyone says transparency which means what?

Do you only want to know where you stand that day on call or do you desire a system that involves real short and long call? The short call would pay a higher grnte while the long call get to relax at home for their 12 hour call. (I think Alaska has this system)

Instead keeping track of events that will someday encourage an ill person to fly in fear of being scarred w/ an event, (some were afraid to tap their emer bank as they are jerks that chose to infect everyone else) why not just make a real commuter clause that allows you to join up w/ your trip as oppose to missing 4 days worth of flying due to ASA having a mx issue.

What type of details do you think shold be included as I am not sure everyone wants the same thing except for raises and retro pay.

 

[Lear70]

That's what I get for not looking at the LCC section for a while, sorry. Here are the pay rates from the T.A. Rebuttal I put together during the vote for T.A. 2:

F/O's by Year

1: 38.50 ($5 per hour (10%) pay CUT from current book)
2: 63.00
3: 67.78
4: 74.07
5: 76.90
6: 79.83
7: 82.68
8: 84.97
9: 87.52
10: 90.52
11: 92.85
12: 95.64

CA's by year:

1: 95.03 (33% pay raise but NO 1st year CA's are going to exist for a long time to come).
2: 113.98
3: 118.32
4: 122.84
5: 127.52
6: 132.37
7: 137.09
8: 140.91
9: 145.13
10: 149.49
11: 153.97
12: 158.59
13: 163.34
14: 168.25
15: 173.30


Bear in mind, the work rule give backs from door close, historical leg value pay, etc, were about a 4% pay CUT after those rates, so when you're doing your average pay calculation per month, remember to multiply * .96 to get the actual pre-deductions (taxes, etc) take-home.

Most reserves are crediting around 80-85 hours from what I hear these days. Like Max said, the credit is higher because you can't drop your own days that you want most of the time and end up with only 12 days off, sometimes more if you are involuntarily removed from a reserve day (URP'd) to keep your credit down.

Most people use 75-80 hours to determine their "average" monthly take-home. Then again, most people want at least 14-16 days a month off at home... if you have nothing better to do than fly, you can do better than that in pay, but most people burn out on a busier schedule.

 

[Ty Webb]

Hoo, Boy . . . . . An $8./hr raise, after 5 years. They're going to have to be close to $20./hr to get a deal, and, even more importantly for them, to try to regain ANY sort of goodwill.

 

[JerryLundegaard]

. . . . and, even more importantly for them, to try to regain ANY sort of goodwill.

Why is goodwill important to them, if they were the ones destroying it to begin with? That doesn't make any sense!

 

[CesnaCaptn]

... some door close soft pay.

What is "door close soft pay?"

 

[Colonel Savage]

AAI pilots used to start getting paid for a leg as soon as the main cabin door closed before pushback, now they don't get paid until wheels start rolling for pushback.

 

[maxblast72]

Why is goodwill important to them, if they were the ones destroying it to begin with? That doesn't make any sense!

Management is just trying to convince us they can't afford to pay us more. It is just business. Management knows sooner or later Airtran pilots costs are going up and they are just dragging their feet to save money for as long as possible.

Welcome to the airlines. The only airlines with a different mentality would probably be Jetblue and Southwest.

 

[maxblast72]

AAI pilots used to start getting paid for a leg as soon as the main cabin door closed before pushback, now they don't get paid until wheels start rolling for pushback.

Actually, we still get paid from door close but TA2 (if ratified) would have taken that away. I believe the union priced that as a 3% concession.

 

[Lear70]

Actually, we still get paid from door close but TA2 (if ratified) would have taken that away. I believe the union priced that as a 3% concession.

That's what they claimed. Info I have says 4%.