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One of my sources is extremely pro company. In the loop pro company. Let's just say that while they have been busy preparing a spin doctored letter of why they are so unhappy with the MCBA the truth is they've been grins and giggles all week. They are very very pleased.

So if the company knows then it is near to impossible to think our own leadership does not know. The only thing that makes sense regarding their silence is that it must be a real stink pickle.

Still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor regarding the now-on-vuh admission they knew about the Cabo/Scottsdale invitations. If that alone plus the knowledge the company wrote the decisions and language, and we are not before a judge tommorow protesting this then i have no idea of what they're thinking.

**** maybe they were invited to Cabo too.
 
Well so far Flops pilots got FKD on the ISL with no lube..MCBA is next. Anybody got the number to that truck driving school???
 
One of my sources is extremely pro company. In the loop pro company. Let's just say that while they have been busy preparing a spin doctored letter of why they are so unhappy with the MCBA the truth is they've been grins and giggles all week. They are very very pleased.

So if the company knows then it is near to impossible to think our own leadership does not know. The only thing that makes sense regarding their silence is that it must be a real stink pickle.

Still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor regarding the now-on-vuh admission they knew about the Cabo/Scottsdale invitations. If that alone plus the knowledge the company wrote the decisions and language, and we are not before a judge tommorow protesting this then i have no idea of what they're thinking.

**** maybe they were invited to Cabo too.[/QUOTE



It's SO easy to cast stones and throw dispersions from the bleachers. It never ceases to amaze me how much you "Armchair Quarterbacks" seem to know about everything but yet just can't seem to actually do anything other than "Piss and Moan" and brag about how things would be different if you and your cohorts actually had some balls in your sacks.

Truly pathetic and the very reason why this MCBA is what it is.

Btw, take your Cabo bribery insinuation and a copy of the soon to be awarded MCBA, roll it up and "Well, you fill in the blanks".

I thought you were better than this IMMP.
 
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Well so far Flops pilots got FKD on the ISL with no lube..MCBA is next. Anybody got the number to that truck driving school???

Are you serious? It is just a fact this is not true. The only side that lost any relative seniority was a group of FLEXJET pilots.

I like to vent my frustration as much as the next one but it loses it's effect when you vent based on facts out of your ass.

I was told by a member of the ISL commitee the only proof they did their jobs well would be when everyone is pissed.

Congrats ISL team. Flightinfo gives you the highest endorsement.
 
It's SO easy to cast stones and throw dispersions from the bleachers. It never ceases to amaze me how much you "Armchair Quarterbacks" seem to know about everything but yet just can't seem to actually do anything other than "Piss and Moan" and brag about how things would be different if you and your cohorts actually had some balls in your sacks.

Truly pathetic and the very reason why this MCBA is what it is.

Btw, take your Cabo bribery insinuation and a copy of the soon to be awarded MCBA, roll it up and "Well, you fill in the blanks".

I thought you were better than this IMMP.

Nope not better. Not by a long shot.

Now with what was obvious sarcasm aside regarding the cabo quip (meant not to accuse but rather highlight the ridiculousness of the situation) I'd like to thank you for the rare opportunity to publically hear from anyone in the loop, even if it was just to snap off out of frustration.

Could you get off the high horse for a minute and realize the is no such thing as gathering the troops if there is no trumpet call? No leader to blast the horn? I can count on one hand the official notifications we've had regarding the most important occurance in our Flexjet careers thus far. So don't you blame the troops for not realizing there was a real battle not just one imagined in the nervousness of message boards.

It's been a a day and a little shut eye and I still can't get over the fact the union was aware of what every 5th grader in a civics class would have recognized as undue influence and a reason to get this back into Gwin's court. I am so completely appalled Ricci thinks an invitation was even appropriate let alone legally kosher. I was told the union felt the issue was handled and they didn't want to delay any further. Well how did that work out seeing as how we are 3 months later than promised anyway?

So this union who has now 10 years of experience with Ricci honestly thought he'd stop at a politely declined invitation to a bribery vacation? Please. It just means he got craftier and sneakier.

Do you honestly expect me to believe now the results of the MCBA were anything other than managed by the puppetmaster himself and we have leadership that is unable to fight him on any front?

No wonder CGF is so grins and giggles. They bested you, illegally and unethically I might add, and there will be no ****ing consequence whatsoever except the ones I pay, fellow pilots pay.

I will wait until the MCBA is published before I assume how badly i was just weinsteined but it can't be much worse than the utter shock I feel regarding the lastest admissions of impropriety gone unchallenged.

****ing ridiculous. Flexjet pilots were sent down the river to a winless battle so Options pilots could be brought to parity and Red Label brought back to a seniority based system where once again only Options pilots would truly benefit. I actually don't even have a problem with the premise. The problem is I get the sinking feeling we didn't even accomplish that. I'll wait and see.
 
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So this union who has now 10 years of experience with Ricci honestly thought he'd stop at a politely declined invitation to a bribery vacation?
it was our 1st contract and 4 years has been with the purchase of flexjet and those shenanigans


Please. It just means he got craftier and sneakier.
Yes, yes it does



****ing ridiculous. Flexjet pilots were sent down the river to a winless battle so Options pilots could be brought to parity and Red Label brought back to a seniority based system where once again only Options pilots would truly benefit. I actually don't even have a problem with the premise. The problem is I get the sinking feeling we didn't even accomplish that. I'll wait and see.

so now you flex pilots need to realize there are 2 groups here at OneSky, Red Label (made up of seniority jumpers, and kiss asses) and the rest getting f..ked, I'm a FLOPS pilot in the same boat as you in this mess, and I chose no to jump seniority from the FLOPS side
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I'm with MMP. And as far as seniority goes it sounds like it don't mean a FING thing at this point. There's a G650 left seat waiting for # 560 all you have to do is be a worthless POS like the rest of them.
 
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Just a couple of things. First off, I would expect the award within a few days, maybe as few as 2. Secondly, after the anger has subsided, and there will be anger. I would hope that after a thorough review of all the documents and information provided by both sides. Those who have steadfastly supported management rather than the majority of their fellow pilots and union leadership, hopefully they will finally see the light and understand where and who that anger should be focused.

So did you know about the cabo trip when you posted this? Were you in the loop or just thrown to the wolves on the Options First agenda unaware of the full script?

Let's talk about agenda. Just so we are clear, I am angry with fellow pilots that did everything they could to enable management in their schemes. FW (yes I'm unfortunately feeding the narcissism) and his cohorts at the porn lounge are at the top of the list. I am further appalled by the predicted defense these same pilots will make for such an egregious and corrupt tactic on the part of Kenn Ricci to unfairly stack the deck. Appalled but not surprised. I can't wait to see what the "morally and religiously superior" of their ilk will come up with to equivocate the sliminess.

Yes, the blame does lie squarely on the shoulders of anyone with a me first or me only agenda. Ricci's schemes rely on it. So JM what I'm trying to figure out is whether or not we are so naive he ended up swindling our own leadership into the scheme or if they went willingly?

Let's be honest so we can correct it. There's no shame in losing to a first rate con artist. The shame lies in allowing it to continue. I've gotten more than a few PMs agreeing.

Do I need to state again how floored I am by the cabo admission by our union president? That is some balls of steel on Ricci's part. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how anyone can defend his actions (the invitation alone was illegal). I'm also trying to figure out why we're not in front of Judge Gwin right ****ing now. I don't even need to see the MCBA to know how slanted toward the company it will be based on the fact alone Fishgold didn't shut it down and inform the union he was filing a coc order.

This is lunacy.
 
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This is what happens when the pilot group are too afraid to stand up for themselves. This POS would never have occurred at NetJets. Anyone pissed off and didn't help in the cause can look in the mirror to see who is to blame. I know the union leadership and volunteers burned many many hours of their personal time trying to get the best contract they could. Thank you to all the union leadership for all their hard work. I know you worked hard to get us a great contract - unfortunately a anti-union arbitrator screwed us over.
 
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My first thoughts on thumbing through the mcba (I'll start a new thread for discussion) is that this looks like a huge win for the Flops team. However I am flummoxed by the huge pay disparity between the fixed schedules and the PBS. When calculated the daily rates are hundred or more apart. That makes no sense. I was hoping to transition to a fixed and there is no way in hell I'd do that now. It's just one more lopsided advantage to the Red Label crews. Know your schedule months in advance, get all holidays off and still make $200 more a day than me.
 
challenger 300 captains will get red label pay when they fly on a red label airplane. Plus a three percent raise in January (why only a raise in that one fleet?). Everyone gets a one time bonus in January. otherwise pay looks the same?
 
challenger 300 captains will get red label pay when they fly on a red label airplane. Plus a three percent raise in January (why only a raise in that one fleet?). Everyone gets a one time bonus in January. otherwise pay looks the same?

I think it's important to track the differences between what the union presented to us regarding their proposals and this mcba.

Wow, the company must have completly wanted to **** the non red label / red label eligible flexers.
 
Looks like the Union leadership received the respect and support that it gave the pilots. We overwhelmingly voted out the mighty Praetorian and his crew because they alienated and blackballed anybody who didn't play ball with them. The only reason the Union received any continued support for its new leadership was because MGT was worse. Going forward its time for the Union leadership and the 20 fanatics to take the high road and welcome the Flex crews to our Union and be productive instead of obstructive
 

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