Chunk
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Jedi9's ALL over the 'net!
Here's a few excerpts from www.jetcareers.com . Jedi9 is over their quite a bit.
On how much a Private Cert. costs at her flight school:
The Chief CFI's time, 90 hours, aircraft rental of 60 hours, checkride; and pilot supplies including books, headset, flight bag, case, charts, and so on:
90 hours * $100 = $9000 (50 hours flight time, 40 hours ground instruction)
60 hours * $85 = $5100 (60 hours aircraft rental, less if flies more often, or $600 less in other aircraft)
$300 for checkride
$600 for the pilot supplies.
Total = $15,000
Use one of the other instructors, not the CCFI, and the other aircraft:
90 hours * $50 = $4500 (50 hours flight time, 40 hours ground instruction)
60 hours * $75 = $4500 (60 hours aircraft rental, less if flies more often)
$300 for checkride
$600 for the pilot supplies.
Total = $9,900
After this training, the IFR can take $8000 or more, depending the proficiency of the pilot and their private training.
It's difficult to explain the "why" behind the prices on-line or in phone conversations. This is a different kind of flight school. I know for a fact that the training I received through this school has saved the lives of three people, including mine, during a flight where there was very little time to think (measured in nanoseconds), and the first decision had to be the right decision
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OK! Sooooooo, 15 large for a Private, 8 for an instrument. But there's a reason it's so much....it saved her life! Well, someone asked about the "saved my life" bit so she then spouts:
Some personal background to this story… When the Chief Instructor for the American Bonanza Society crashed in IMC after a vacuum failure, I stopped flying IFR. If this instructor that WROTE the IFR training program for their refresher clinics couldn’t survive gyro failure, how could I?
Here goes:
At the time of this incident, the instructor had given less than nine hours of training over the previous four months towards my regaining IFR currency and proficiency. I had almost one hour in the right seat working on the CFII.
Ten thousand plus hour pilot in left seat. Flown in all sorts of conditions including a 3 hour hard IMC flight the previous week. I’m riding right seat for the fun of it. Pilot is taking aircraft owner’s son to summer camp. The son is not a pilot and sitting back seat. We are in IMC and the pilot, also an aircraft maintenance technician, is evaluating the autopilot’s function. He finds the autopilot will not couple to the nav, but will hold heading and altitude. A while into the clouds, I notice we are rolling into a medium right bank for no apparent reason. The pilot complains about the autopilot not coupling again, but we were in heading hold mode.
I had less than three seconds to figure out which, if any, flight instruments were telling me the truth looking at them from the right seat. This process is not in any book. In fact, the only way to get this process is attend one of our WINGS Seminars (free) or obtain training at this flight school. Then I had to battle for the controls as the pilot was completely disorientated and who knew what trim the autopilot had left us.
When I recovered the aircraft, we were about to exceed red line airspeed, over 60 degrees of bank, over 10 degrees pitch down, and the VSI was pegged down. The autopilot had disconnected during this so the aircraft was very much out of trim. Passing through 500 feet below our assigned altitude, my hearing returned to ATC screaming at us to climb. The passenger didn’t know a thing as the pilot had the intercom on “crew isolate.” A few more seconds and the NTSB would be investigating P210 confetti from the inflight breakup.
I logged that flight as dual given. I figured I’d earned it.
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My personal favorite is the line "In fact, the only way to get this process is attend one of our WINGS Seminars (free) or obtain training at this flight school. "
BWAHAHAHAHA!
Go check out www.jetcareers.com for more! Plus, it's a really good site run by a Delta pilot who puts a lot of personal time and effort into it.
Now, I'm not trying to beat up on her, but this story is beyond the pale! She spouts her BS stories on every board and I've tried to be nice, but antinein has inspired me to speak out!
Chunk
PS---Here's another quote from jedinein:
It's a serious question. I can usually figure out a pilot by the time we're taxiing. Other instructors tell me as I gain experience, I'll be able to figure 'em out by the time we've walked to the airplane.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Ms. Cleo.
Here's a few excerpts from www.jetcareers.com . Jedi9 is over their quite a bit.
On how much a Private Cert. costs at her flight school:
The Chief CFI's time, 90 hours, aircraft rental of 60 hours, checkride; and pilot supplies including books, headset, flight bag, case, charts, and so on:
90 hours * $100 = $9000 (50 hours flight time, 40 hours ground instruction)
60 hours * $85 = $5100 (60 hours aircraft rental, less if flies more often, or $600 less in other aircraft)
$300 for checkride
$600 for the pilot supplies.
Total = $15,000
Use one of the other instructors, not the CCFI, and the other aircraft:
90 hours * $50 = $4500 (50 hours flight time, 40 hours ground instruction)
60 hours * $75 = $4500 (60 hours aircraft rental, less if flies more often)
$300 for checkride
$600 for the pilot supplies.
Total = $9,900
After this training, the IFR can take $8000 or more, depending the proficiency of the pilot and their private training.
It's difficult to explain the "why" behind the prices on-line or in phone conversations. This is a different kind of flight school. I know for a fact that the training I received through this school has saved the lives of three people, including mine, during a flight where there was very little time to think (measured in nanoseconds), and the first decision had to be the right decision
******************************************
OK! Sooooooo, 15 large for a Private, 8 for an instrument. But there's a reason it's so much....it saved her life! Well, someone asked about the "saved my life" bit so she then spouts:
Some personal background to this story… When the Chief Instructor for the American Bonanza Society crashed in IMC after a vacuum failure, I stopped flying IFR. If this instructor that WROTE the IFR training program for their refresher clinics couldn’t survive gyro failure, how could I?
Here goes:
At the time of this incident, the instructor had given less than nine hours of training over the previous four months towards my regaining IFR currency and proficiency. I had almost one hour in the right seat working on the CFII.
Ten thousand plus hour pilot in left seat. Flown in all sorts of conditions including a 3 hour hard IMC flight the previous week. I’m riding right seat for the fun of it. Pilot is taking aircraft owner’s son to summer camp. The son is not a pilot and sitting back seat. We are in IMC and the pilot, also an aircraft maintenance technician, is evaluating the autopilot’s function. He finds the autopilot will not couple to the nav, but will hold heading and altitude. A while into the clouds, I notice we are rolling into a medium right bank for no apparent reason. The pilot complains about the autopilot not coupling again, but we were in heading hold mode.
I had less than three seconds to figure out which, if any, flight instruments were telling me the truth looking at them from the right seat. This process is not in any book. In fact, the only way to get this process is attend one of our WINGS Seminars (free) or obtain training at this flight school. Then I had to battle for the controls as the pilot was completely disorientated and who knew what trim the autopilot had left us.
When I recovered the aircraft, we were about to exceed red line airspeed, over 60 degrees of bank, over 10 degrees pitch down, and the VSI was pegged down. The autopilot had disconnected during this so the aircraft was very much out of trim. Passing through 500 feet below our assigned altitude, my hearing returned to ATC screaming at us to climb. The passenger didn’t know a thing as the pilot had the intercom on “crew isolate.” A few more seconds and the NTSB would be investigating P210 confetti from the inflight breakup.
I logged that flight as dual given. I figured I’d earned it.
*******************************************
My personal favorite is the line "In fact, the only way to get this process is attend one of our WINGS Seminars (free) or obtain training at this flight school. "
BWAHAHAHAHA!
Go check out www.jetcareers.com for more! Plus, it's a really good site run by a Delta pilot who puts a lot of personal time and effort into it.
Now, I'm not trying to beat up on her, but this story is beyond the pale! She spouts her BS stories on every board and I've tried to be nice, but antinein has inspired me to speak out!
Chunk
PS---Here's another quote from jedinein:
It's a serious question. I can usually figure out a pilot by the time we're taxiing. Other instructors tell me as I gain experience, I'll be able to figure 'em out by the time we've walked to the airplane.
*********************
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Ms. Cleo.
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