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What is your commute? FAA called to action

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luckytohaveajob

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Do you transcon to the east coast?

Do you drive three hours to your two leg commute?

Do you drive down Tahoe in a snow storm to fly to work?

How many hurricanes have you driven out of to get a flight to work?

What do you do during Spring Break in Florida?

How many nights have you stayed in the crew room during a month?

What is the closest call you have had flying to the start of an assignment? one hour before show, at show, one minute before departure?

What is the longest period of time you have ever been awake before your international evening departure?

Can you sleep standing up like a horse?

How long can you sleep continuously on a 31 hour three day with an overnight on the other side of the planet? And how long does it take you to recover from such a trip?

Has anyone been in more than three times zones per overnight on a four day?

How many people have taken the red eye into the base to depart the same morning for a 14 hour day?

[FONT=arial,helvetica,geneva]Report: FAA Should Address Pilot Commutes[/FONT]

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A report released Wednesday by the National Research Council found that commuting practices among airline pilots "could potentially contribute to their fatigue," and since fatigue can reduce performance, pilots, airlines, and the FAA should take steps to reduce the chance that commuting will pose a safety risk. The report stopped short of recommending new regulations, and said a lack of data hampered the analysis. "Some commutes have the potential to contribute to fatigue in pilots, and fatigue can pose a safety risk, but at this point we simply don't know very much about actual pilots' commuting practices," said Clint Oster, chair of the research committee. "Airlines and FAA should gather more information on pilots' commutes, and also work with pilots to lower the likelihood that fatigue from commuting will be a safety risk." The report also offers suggestions to commuting pilots about best practices that could help to minimize fatigue.

Pilots should plan their off-duty activities so they are awake no more than about 16 hours at the end of their duty shift, the report suggests. Also, they should try to sleep for at least six hours before reporting for duty. Airlines should consider enacting policies that would help pilots plan more predictable, less tiring commutes. The report was requested by Congress due to concerns that arose about commuting and fatigue during the investigation of the Colgan Air crash in Buffalo, N.Y., in 2009. The complete report can be read online -- go to the National Academies website, and scroll down to find the Table of Contents.
 
121.8436(a): Except as provided in pargraph (b) of this section, No certificate holder may assign any flightcrew member, and no flightcrew member may accept an assignment, for any flight time scheduled to begin any sooner than 12 hours after watching the Letterman monologue, or any portion thereof, of any similar late night talk show.
(b) The limitations of (a) notwithstanding, if a crewmember has already started watching an FX movie, any ESPN coverage of major events, or any episode of "Law and Order, Meter Maid," then that crewmember may continue viewing until the completion of that show, provided that viewing is completed prior to the final credits.
 
You can't force people to live in a specific place except by a judge's order. The only way for the FAA to track rest opportunity before a trip is for all trips to start the day before the first scheduled flight segment, with a checkin at the base followed by a hotel room the night before the trip starts. Trips would be built with this hotel stay already in them and it would show up on your schedule just like hotels in the middle of a trip currently do.

Since every trip would now have a non-flying duty day built into it, with a rig equal to the greater of the average daily value of the flying portion of the trip or five hours, the number of extra pilots they would need for this would be large, and the expense equally so.

Just as unions were stymied until so many people had died in workplace accidents, the final straw being the New York Triangle Shirtwaist fire of 1911, that Congress had to respond to public pressure to fix the problem, similarly there would have to be many Colgan-type accidents before the public outrage reached a level to force Congress to act on this. Thankfully, that will never happen.

http://www.csun.edu/~ghy7463/mw2.html
 
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There is all ready a reg that requires you to be fit for duty when we show up for work. Seems to me that is good enough. It is up to us to make that call. The last thing we need is another reg trying to cover all the different possibilities for getting to work.
 
Don't sweat it.

These are the same mouthbreathers that think it's safe to work for 16 hours
after getting 5 hours sleep.
 
Yeah- there are a multitude of rest issues that need to be addressed WITHIN our pairings before they should be concerned about what we do before. And if you're going to regulate what we do before- you better be prepared to pay us.

The only policy I want to see is that if commuters are going to loudly lobby the company for more 4-day trips- then THEY NEED TO FLY THEM.
 
Yeah- there are a multitude of rest issues that need to be addressed WITHIN our pairings before they should be concerned about what we do before. And if you're going to regulate what we do before- you better be prepared to pay us.
I don't think this will ever happen, but that's the point of this system. There is no "what we do before." We are on company time, on the pay clock, in FAA rest before the flying even starts.
 
What if there is a triple-play of "American Pickers," "Pawn Stars," or "Swamp People" before a 6am report?

What if it's Thursday, 10:30PM EST, and "Taxicab Confessions" is comming on? I hope this law does not pass!!
 

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