What is wrong

[ERJFO]

This is what is so BS about this job... We have guys that stay up at night and pray they get the COEX flying without even thinking that it's going to put people on the street. And it's not just COEX flying for that matter either. Any flying that's been hijacked has gone from a place where QOL, contract and pay were okay to a place where those things were (in comparison) low(er). I think that guys should stand up and say "I'll only take the COEX flying if I get the same pay and contract the COEX guys got for the flying." Will that happen? No chance, why? Because people show up for class at MESA and *************************s and SkyWest guys "hope" they get AirWhisky's United flying (past tense) and TSA guys "hope" they get Eagle flying.

The deal is, if you work for a place that has taken flying from someone don't say "we don't controll that." Because the bottom line is if your contract and pay cost less than the guys you took it from you do.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I just want to get the hell away from the regionals as soon as possible and all of you clowns can have at it.

 

[propsarebest]

This is what is so BS about this job... We have guys that stay up at night and pray they get the COEX flying without even thinking that it's going to put people on the street. And it's not just COEX flying for that matter either. Any flying that's been hijacked has gone from a place where QOL, contract and pay were okay to a place where those things were (in comparison) low(er). I think that guys should stand up and say "I'll only take the COEX flying if I get the same pay and contract the COEX guys got for the flying." Will that happen? No chance, why? Because people show up for class at MESA and *************************s and SkyWest guys "hope" they get AirWhisky's United flying (past tense) and TSA guys "hope" they get Eagle flying.

The deal is, if you work for a place that has taken flying from someone don't say "we don't controll that." Because the bottom line is if your contract and pay cost less than the guys you took it from you do.

wha wha wha wha. My heart is crying for you. If you think you have it bad, try doing what my grandfather did- He flew DC-6's in the pacific during the early/mid 60's. 3 years, 3 different airlines, same equipment and people, Just a different color of his uniform shirt and different logo on his paycheck.

My point is that this industry has always been, and always be a lowball kinda deal. It's always been about the bottom dollar. Contracts come and go, employers come and go. Deal with it. You knew what it was all about the day you signed up.

If you want stability, become a locksmith.

 

[Turtlesfly]

So is that why you're a dispatcher? Thus proving our point?

 

[pilotyip]

You looking at this all wrong. The regionals are a stepping stone again. You go to a regional as a low time pilot to build your hours and as soon as you have your 1200 hours you get a 135 IFR PIC job and start building PIC, then apply for every job in the country. Always move up the chain, bigger airplanes, T-prop to TJ, You will really learn to fly, as opposed to program an airplane.

 

[propsarebest]

So is that why you're a dispatcher? Thus proving our point?

WTF does that mean??

"just because I'm a dispatcher"?

get off yer hi horse. that's the problem with you pilots, ESPECIALLY the regional ones- you think the world revolves around you!


and it wasn't even YOUR point!

 

[Rogue5]

that's the problem with you pilots, ESPECIALLY the regional ones- you think the world revolves around you!

Probably not the best way to get others to value your opinion when posting on a regional airline pilot forum...

 

[Turtlesfly]

WTF does that mean??

"just because I'm a dispatcher"?

get off yer hi horse. that's the problem with you pilots, ESPECIALLY the regional ones- you think the world revolves around you!


and it wasn't even YOUR point!

Yes, the world revolves around us. Whatever.

You missed my point entirely - what I'm saying is that people here complain about our quality of life . . . and you tell us that we're a bunch of whiney babies when you're not even one of us - that was my point

 

[treetopflyer]

This is what is so BS about this job... We have guys that stay up at night and pray they get the COEX flying without even thinking that it's going to put people on the street. And it's not just COEX flying for that matter either. Any flying that's been hijacked has gone from a place where QOL, contract and pay were okay to a place where those things were (in comparison) low(er). I think that guys should stand up and say "I'll only take the COEX flying if I get the same pay and contract the COEX guys got for the flying." Will that happen? No chance, why? Because people show up for class at MESA and *************************s and SkyWest guys "hope" they get AirWhisky's United flying (past tense) and TSA guys "hope" they get Eagle flying.

The deal is, if you work for a place that has taken flying from someone don't say "we don't controll that." Because the bottom line is if your contract and pay cost less than the guys you took it from you do.

now as soon as you edit your post to read "CAL" instead of COEX you might actually have it right because who does that flying belong to really?

 

[utahpilot]

welcome to the the free market

(in case you didn't know)

maybe if we all 'stand together' we can push the government to force our companies to pay us all the same wage, wouldn't that be awesome?

then, we can further petition them to force all of us and our neighbors to inhabit the same houses-same size, sq. footage, everything!

further! maybe we could get the Govt. to make it so we all shopped, ate, etc. at the same places too. that sure would make it easier!

this way we could all feel, work, live and play the same, and stupid things like competition would never get in the way.

maybe if we speak up enough, the government could even just assign us to what our jobs might be-plumber, doctor, pilot-yeah!

hmmmmmmmm.........

maybe, just maybe, the better thing to do is all compete within the laws established and let the market decide. no one is gleeful when another loses their job, but competing for contracts is not unique to the airline biz. companies the world over must be more creative, inventive, cost efficient, etc. to survive. the trick is finding the middle ground, where the company can flourish and employees still feel inspired to contribute to it's continued success, thereby benefitting everyone. a company that can do that deserves and will continue to have it's successes.

peace,

UP

 

[~~~^~~~]

A 70 passenger jet flying international is not a "stepping stone."

The free market should not be allowed to rule absolutely. The US Government has the DOJ, FTC and a Court System to "level the playing field" so that the majority does not simply rob from the minority as is the case in North Africa. Our Democracy has checks and balances. We pilots have unions to stop this sort of thing. Unfortunately the Delta, US Air and Northwest MEC's like predatory bargaining and they have hijacked ALPA.

 

[JustaNumber]

maybe, just maybe, the better thing to do is all compete within the laws established and let the market decide. no one is gleeful when another loses their job, but competing for contracts is not unique to the airline biz. companies the world over must be more creative, inventive, cost efficient, etc. to survive. the trick is finding the middle ground, where the company can flourish and employees still feel inspired to contribute to it's continued success, thereby benefitting everyone. a company that can do that deserves and will continue to have it's successes.

The problem that most of us have with the current form of competition is that no one seems to have any control over their own negotiations anymore. The way it works now, regional managements negotiate low-ball deals with their affiliated major airline, then come crying to labor to make it work. If the regional pilots were involved in these negotiations to begin with, you'd probably see a whole lot less undercutting for someone else's flying.

 

[JD2003]

Just curious...in Duane's new taskforce "pay to play" why isn't mesa represented?

It won't be effective unless all alpa carriers are on board. Why aren't all of the carriers represented in Duane's pay to play taskforce.

 

[Palomino]

This is what is so BS about this job... We have guys that stay up at night and pray they get the COEX flying without even thinking that it's going to put people on the street. And it's not just COEX flying for that matter either.

this is where your frustration lies. this is not COEX flying that's being bid upon...it's Continental feed. COEX doesn't own the flying - they are hired to do it.

COEX, SkyWest, ASA, etc. all are contract labor. not trying to be harsh, but that's how i see it.

i hope it works out for COEX, but i wouldn't be surprised to see any of the various feed carriers jump on it.

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

As long as they can get pople to fly for substandard wages this will continue, and unfortunately, pilots are a dime a dozen. Look at Pay for training, when the airlines who had it couldn't get quality people they had to do away with it. But still, you had those that were willing to do it.

 

[Traumahawk]

now as soon as you edit your post to read "CAL" instead of COEX you might actually have it right because who does that flying belong to really?

We have a winner.

 

[treetopflyer]

what no takers? you guys sure do puss out quick when the facts are brought out