What is "total time"?

[UnAnswerd]

As an example, you have to have something like 1200 hours TT to fly 135. Can total time be every little minuscule event (like your familiarization flight), or is it strictly PIC time???

 

[Gulfstream 200]

total time is...um....total flight time.

every hour you logged.

 

[TonyC]

Total Time is based on a complex formula.

Each minute of flight time is an addend in this formula.

Time in the left seat is credited at a 1:1 ratio.

Time in the right seat is credited at a 1:2 ratio.

Time in the back seat is credited at a 1:5 ratio.

Time as a passenger in a commercial airliner is credited based on a ratio of 1:number of seats on the airliner. (If you are a member of the airline's frequent flyer program, you can contact their flight time representative and receive bonus hour credits on qualifying flights.)

Double credit is awarded for familiarization flights up to a limit of 2 hours (doubled for 4).

The sum of all the addends is the Total Time.



(PFT hours do not count at all.)

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

(PFT hours do not count at all.)

That's for sho!

 

[FracCapt]

Time as a passenger in a commercial airliner is credited based on a ratio of 1:number of seats on the airliner.

Dam! I guess I better go back and edit my heavy time...so much for having 5000 PIC in the 777...I was MULTIPLYING the flight time by the number of seats!

 

[bobbysamd]

Total time

As an example, you have to have something like 1200 hours TT to fly 135. Can total time be every little minuscule event (like your familiarization flight), or is it strictly PIC time???

All flight time counts toward total time. Dual hours count toward total time. At this stage of your training, your instructor should be writing in your logbook dual received, single-engine and total time.

If you should fly helicopters, gliders, etc., that would also count toward total time. At that point you would differentiate between airplane time, gilder time and rotor time.

Hope that helps.

(I would agree that P-F-T time should count toward nothing, but that is a matter for another discussion.)

 

[mmmdonut]

You guys are still replying to this joker? Wow!

 

[TonyC]

You guys are still replying to this joker? Wow!

Awww, cummon, donutman, this is a serious question. Tell the truth, you had to get some help figuring your total time, too.






.

 

[minitour]

...yes Total time is anything you've logged......in an aircraft

Don't tell your students to log that FTD time...it really pisses them off when they have a brand new logbook and its got corrections all through it

-mini

 

[FracCapt]

You guys are still replying to this joker? Wow!

You weren't around to pick on because of your political beliefs....but, you're here now...so it's time us to abandon this thread to pick on you as soon as you start your next thread about those evil Republicans and how they screwed over half(you use that new math, don't you?) of the country out of getting the president they really wanted...

 

[shamrock]

At this stage of your training, your instructor should be writing in your logbook dual received, single-engine and total time.

Just to open a can of worms (and to annoy mmmdonut by making this thread go on for pages):

So after you get your private, how do you log Dual Rec'd? Is it only Dual Rec'd and TT or is it Dual Rec'd, TT and PIC? Way back when, I had several instructors tell me that Dual Rec'd + PIC should equal TT and that's the way at least one Major (United, if memory serves) wanted it.

Feel free to throw in your $.02 as well as any and all FAR references and FAA rulings you may come across, if only to allow Mr. Donut a break from his antics on the non-aviation board.

 

[Vik]

This is very easy ...

There is column in your log that is "total duration of flight" .. sum that up, its your TT.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

So after you get your private, how do you log Dual Rec'd? Is it only Dual Rec'd and TT or is it Dual Rec'd, TT and PIC? Way back when, I had several instructors tell me that Dual Rec'd + PIC should equal TT and that's the way at least one Major (United, if memory serves) wanted it.

Here's how I did it. After I got my private, I was training for my instrument in a 172. I logged PIC and Dual received both. Since I had my private, I was rated in the 172, so I could log it.

For example, a 1.3 hour training flight would be:
PIC 1.3
Dual Rec.1.3
Day 1.3
Hood .7 (or whatever it was)
_________
Total Time (duration) 1.3

 

[minitour]

Just to open a can of worms (and to annoy mmmdonut by making this thread go on for pages):

So after you get your private, how do you log Dual Rec'd? Is it only Dual Rec'd and TT or is it Dual Rec'd, TT and PIC? Way back when, I had several instructors tell me that Dual Rec'd + PIC should equal TT and that's the way at least one Major (United, if memory serves) wanted it.

Feel free to throw in your $.02 as well as any and all FAR references and FAA rulings you may come across, if only to allow Mr. Donut a break from his antics on the non-aviation board.

You can log PIC any time you're the sole occupant of, sole manipulator of the controls in, or required crewmember necessary for the safe operation of an aircraft which you are rated and current in.

For example:
You've got a PPASEL ticket and now you're doing your instrument in a 172.

You take a 2 hour flight 1.8 is hood time
2.0 total
2.0 PIC
2.0 ASEL
2.0 Dual received
1.8 Simulated Instrument

You're the PIC because you're sole manipulator...

This changes of course if its a twin, sea plane, etc.

(Someone help me here, but you are NOT PIC in a complex or HP until you have the endorsement, right? For some reason I'm having a major brain fart)

-mini

*edit*
Sol beat me to it

 

[ultrarunner]

This is very easy ...

There is column in your log that is "total duration of flight" .. sum that up, its your TT.

Hey dude, with a kick-a$$ response like that, you should be flying that avitar!

 

[TonyC]

For example, a 1.3 hour training flight would be:
PIC 1.3
Dual Rec.1.3
Day 1.3
Hood .7 (or whatever it was)
_________
Total Time 1.3

I think you should have logged 4.6 Total Time
(1.3 + 1.+3 +1.3 + 0.7 = 4.6)

If you had thought to include a column for C172, you could have logged an additional 1.3 for a total of 5.9

 

[TonyC]

Oh, yeah. 1.3 for ASEL, Total Time goes to 7.2 !

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

I think you should have logged 4.6 Total Time
(1.3 + 1.+3 +1.3 + 0.7 = 4.6)

If you had thought to include a column for C172, you could have logged an additional 1.3 for a total of 5.9

well of course...how do you think I got all my flight time??

 

[minitour]

Oh, yeah. 1.3 for ASEL, Total Time goes to 7.2 !

so THATS where I've been going wrong...

-mini

 

[TonyC]

so THATS where I've been going wrong...

-mini

It's not too late - - you can always make changes to your logbook as long as you make the changes in red ink.

 

[English]

Oh man, I thought that was what the green "white out" was for!

 

[minitour]

It's not too late - - you can always make changes to your logbook as long as you make the changes in red ink.

ARGH
don't even get me started on logbook changes.

I just stated a new logbook and my instructor logged all of my training time incorrectly. Then he went through in black ink and corrected everything so I have initials and corrections on the first two pages of my new book (not to mention the last page of my old book).

I'm sure that's going to bite me in the @ss some day.

-mini

*edit*
haha I should have pulled out the "Springer":

"Don't even GO there! No you didn't!"

 

[FN FAL]

What is Total Time?

Total Time, to put it succinctly, is a time that occurs in a relationship where you may ask your wife to pour you a bowl of TOTAL, but instead you accidently slip and say, "You ruined my life, you freaking &%$#^&!"

 

[bobbysamd]

Here we go again . . . .

So after you get your private, how do you log Dual Rec'd? Is it only Dual Rec'd and TT or is it Dual Rec'd, TT and PIC? Way back when, I had several instructors tell me that Dual Rec'd + PIC should equal TT and that's the way at least one Major (United, if memory serves) wanted it.

Maybe that's how United wants it, but that doesn't make it correct. After you are rated in the aircraft category and class in question, you can log dual received and PIC because you are sole manipulator of the controls. Thus, you would log it as PIC, dual received, total time, single or multi, as applicable, as well as night, hood, actual instrument, etc., as applicable.

Just because United wants your flight time entered on its grid a particular way does not mean you have to maintain your logbook the United way. Maintain your logbook the 14 CFR 61.51 way and you will never be wrong.

Finally, sim time, ground trainer time, FTD time, etc. and, contrary to popular belief, Microsoft Flight Simulator time, is not flight time. Because it is not flight time, it does not belong in your "total time" column. Keep it as a separate listing.

Hope that helps some more.

 

[minitour]

...contrary to popular belief, Microsoft Flight Simulator time is not aircraft time...

* Gasp *

 

[Ball Turret]

While we are on the topic of logging flight time, can anybody shed some light on an interviewer's opinion of logging PIC and dual recieved, whether it be a major, regional, whatever. We have kicked this around the office quite a bit where I work and as usual, five people have different answers and they are all right. For example, while doing your MEI training, you are just building PIC time. But in some cases, as in mine, you have an instructor riding along with you, instructing you. You have to log it PIC for your MEI requirements but I also logged it dual recieved because I was recieving dual. What do interviewers think about this kind of stuff. Another question: If you are instructing an instrument student in actual, can you log the approach even if you do not touch the controls but you are directing him/her the whole time. I have heard different about this one too and it is very foggy in the regs. Thanks.

-rookie poster

 

[PropsForward]

Time as a passenger in a commercial airliner is credited based on a ratio of 1:number of seats on the airliner. (If you are a member of the airline's frequent flyer program, you can contact their flight time representative and receive bonus hour credits on qualifying flights.)

Wait a minute!. If the airliner is only half full, can the ratio be by the number of passengers instead of number of seats?

Just trying to get some time a little quicker...

 

[Pickle]

And what about flight engineer time? It is not pilot time, but it is time. AND, if you can use 1/3 of F/E time (up to 500 hours) for your ATP then it MUST count for something!!! So there it is, I am including all my F/E time with my total time and I will tell anyone who asks that I saw it on flightinfo.com so it MUST be true!!!!!!!!!

 

[bobbysamd]

Logging approaches for currency

If you are instructing an instrument student in actual, can you log the approach even if you do not touch the controls but you are directing him/her the whole time. I have heard different about this one too and it is very foggy in the regs.

The regs are not foggy at all. 14 CFR 61.57(c) governs instrument currency. This FAR states clearly that you have to execute the approach yourself for it to count for currency purposes:

(c) Instrument experience. Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command under IFR or in weather conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR, unless within the preceding 6 calendar months, that person has:

(1) For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in an aircraft (other than a glider), performed and logged under actual or simulated instrument conditions, either in flight in the appropriate category of aircraft for the instrument privileges sought or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of the aircraft category for the instrument privileges sought --

(i) At least six instrument approaches . . . .

(emphasis added)

So, while you as an instructor can log the time in actual instrument conditions, 14 CFR 61.51(g)(2), 14 CFR 61.57(c)(1) is clear that you cannot count the approach your student executed for yourself for the purpose of instrument currency. Nothing wrong, however, with writing the approach in your logbook as part of the record of the flight.

Hope that helps.

 

[PropsForward]

This changes of course if its a sea plane

This is also the only time in your aviation carrer that a gear up landing is preferred...