What Is This????

[LRvsH25B]

Do you think crossing the fence at Vref+90 might've played a bigger role in the accident?

No, no, not at all. DUH! Of course it did. I guess you think they were doing Touch-N-Go's? Prelims are saying they landed, went for the T/Rs AND the brakes. Brakes did not work (Once again, the pedal will go to floor when operating that far outside of the AFM), so they tried to reject the landing, thus crashing off the end as a result of an unsuccessful take-off attempt.

 

[enigma]

I flew in recently into a Midwestern airport, and I began a conversation with a Corporate Lear 31 pilot. The guy flies for a large corporate flight dept that operates alot of lears...some of you might already know who I am talking about. Anyway, after talking about life, jobs and what not. The fellow pilot metioned something that really came to my attention. He said that at this flight department they make some of their pilots wipe down their landing gear struts after flights. I laughed at first but then realized that the guy was serious. Has anyone heard of this BS....is their a good reason behind this besides being an ass. Anyone??

Back in 91, when WalMart bought McLane Co, WallyWorld operated a bunch of TurboCommodes and a few jets. If memory serves, WalMart operated on Citation for Rob Walton and had just bought their first Lear31 (which they soon managed to strand on the runway at Stapleton after landing with the brakes parked, or something like that).
At that time, Mclane had operated Lears for ten years and had better operational procedures in place than did WalMart. One of the things that McLanes department manager demanded was this strut wipedown ever time an aircraft returned to base. BTW, WD40 was used, not hydraulic fluid. DW, the department manager was a very observant man, and he had "observed" over the previous ten years, that his Lear 35's suffered far fewer strut problems than did those of operators who did not wipe the crud off the chrome.

I worked at McLane, and I can tell you that wiping the struts was not a big deal. I can't say the same for spending my off days polishing the leading edges and mopping the hanger floor/mowing the hanger grass/cleaning the hanger crapper/emptying the airplanes potty. I say that because wiping the struts, CarbonX'ing the KingAir nacelles was included in the original job description, performing a complete aircraft wash/wax/polish and hanger maintenance was not.

Even so, if I could find a quality corporate job close to home. I'd take it, even if I had to occasionally polish those leading edges.
enigma

 

[some_dude]

I don't have any problem with cleaning the struts, or wiping down the nacelles. It's simply taking care of the equipment. If I had "people" to do that, then I probably wouldn't bother, but for most of my career, my "people" have been me, myself, and I.

I've never asked anyone else to do it, nor have I been asked to do it. It's just common sense. Also, I don't do it if I'm getting off the airplane at the end of a 14 hour day or I'm in MSP and the wind is blowing the snow sideways across the ramp. But, if it's PSP and it's 70 degrees out, and I'm sitting around waiting for pax, why not?

 

[pw4000]

Can you permadonas put gas in your own car or is that above your head. Its all part of the job its just a job who cares what you do. Get over it

 

[LegacyDriver]

Carbon Fiber brakes will take care of these issues. The problem for most is from an economic standpoint. A CL60 set of Carbon Fibers will set the owner back 100K. Are they worth it, yes, but explaining the difference for the $ can be tough to get across to a #s guy. Aside from cleaner wear, Carbon Fiber works very well when they get heated up and if used properely (such as fluid and continuous applications instead of jumping on and off of them while taxing as well as also riding them a little bit during taxi out to get them heated up) they will last forever. The real selling point is when they are used under rapid and heavy deceleration. Impressive!

Carbon Fiber brakes still turn the wheel rims black though... Unless I have been told I had CF brakes when in fact I did not. The ERJs supposedly had CF brakes but if left untouched the wheels and struts would be caked with black dust in a very short period of time. .