What is the difference between code share and scope?

[Hamburger]

I don't claim to know the specifics of the deal.
I am pretty sure that Delta made a go at Alaska on their own at one point and it failed. If a full half of their feed out of Seattle comes from cities that Delta doesn't serve. Win-Win.
I don't recall an instance where going to war with a carrier on their turf ended up saving jobs.

Codeshare is selling tickets on routes that you DON'T operate.
Scope is sub-contracting routes that you DO operate.
Very different.

 

[AntiJedi]

Scope is when Horizon Airlines jets are sold to Skywest and operated between Horizon Airlines city pairs with Skywest pilots. In March, it was a Horizon flight in a Horizon plane with Horizon pilots. In April, it's the same flight in the same plane with Skywest pilots.

Codeshare is a construction crew from the next town coming in to help you build a bigger and better house than either of you could build on your own.

Scope is a crew of undocumented illegals coming to your construction site, undercutting your living wage, and putting you out of work.

Regionals exist because they suck on the teat of Scope. They don't have their own networks, and thus have nothing to share. That is the difference.

Not bagging on Regional pilots at all. The Major pilots decided decades ago that certain flying was beneath them and let the horse out of the barn. They created the Regionals.

Your post makes no sense at all. First you say that Horizon flying was outsourced SkyWest, then you say that regionals "suck on the teat" and "don't have their own network". So, how could it be Horizon's flying that was being outsourced if they are just sucking the teat, using someone else's network?

Also, your comparison of codeshare vs. scope is lousy, at best. While you'd be right in that a crew would be coming over to help build the house, it'd still be the same house. Using your logic, with the DL/AS codeshare, instead of both airlines filling an AS 737, they would fill an AS 767, which doesn't exist.

Using the term of undocumented illegals is not only in poor taste, it's just downright wrong. Using your house analogy, if you aren't going to make a deadline, you sub-contract out the work which you can't get done in time, or which you won't be able to do in the first place. General contractors do this all of the time by contracting in electricians, plumbers, and in some cases general laborers. If you were to talk to one if these guys like that, it's guaranteed you'd wake up in the hospital the next day.

 

[Hamburger]

Your post makes no sense at all. First you say that Horizon flying was outsourced SkyWest, then you say that regionals "suck on the teat" and "don't have their own network". So, how could it be Horizon's flying that was being outsourced if they are just sucking the teat, using someone else's network

Because Horizon is Wholly Owned by Alaska. Same team. It's not possible to outsource IN HOUSE, now, is it?

Using the term of undocumented illegals is not only in poor taste, it's just downright wrong. Using your house analogy, if you aren't going to make a deadline, you sub-contract out the work which you can't get done in time, or which you won't be able to do in the first place. General contractors do this all of the time by contracting in electricians, plumbers, and in some cases general laborers. If you were to talk to one if these guys like that, it's guaranteed you'd wake up in the hospital the next day.

This falls apart because the skywest/horizon situation isn't an Electrician doing work for a General. It's a the General replacing a Union Electrician who is already on the job with a Non Union Electrician (home depot hero) who will work for less.
Where did you come up with this deadline nonsense? These routes have been operated by horizon pilots in horizon planes for years.
The same planes on the same routes with undercutting pilots does NOT meet any kind of deadline.

Also, your comparison of codeshare vs. scope is lousy, at best. While you'd be right in that a crew would be coming over to help build the house, it'd still be the same house. Using your logic, with the DL/AS codeshare, instead of both airlines filling an AS 737, they would fill an AS 767, which doesn't exist.

No. The 'house' is a Delta 767. Delta can't fill it with people who live in Alaska. They tried and failed. It costs a LOT to have scheduled service to Petersburg. Likewise, Alaska Airlines doesn't have a 767 and doesn't go to Paris.
Without codeshare, how does a person who lives in Petersburg, AK get to Paris? Without codeshare, how does Delta fill that 767 to Paris? Are there 300 people every single day in Salt Lake that want to go to Paris?
If Delta could fill that plane on their own, they wouldn't need feed from anyone else, would they? If Alaska could support a 767 to Paris on their own, don't you think they would by some and start service?

Now if Alaska wanted to hire out skywest to move people from Petersburg to Seattle, something mainline guys had been doing for decades, then you'd have a scope issue.

Moving passengers from cities that airline A doesn't serve to places that Airline B doesn't serve is Codeshare.
Using Airline B to move passengers to and from cities that Airline A serves is Scope. They are very different.
I can't dumb it down any further.
You're not alone. Plenty of people don't grasp the concept, that is the very reason it exists.

 

[AntiJedi]

Because Horizon is Wholly Owned by Alaska. Same team. It's not possible to outsource IN HOUSE, now, is it?

Since you say that all regionals suck on the teat of the mother airline, and practically all them parasites of the industry, and that AS has a FPD contract with Alaska for flying that Alaska wants to do, but can't do itself with the aircraft it has; whether or not they are owned by the same holding company, no matter how you look at it, it's still outsourcing.

DGS and ComAir, owned by Delta, and held internally by the holding company, is still outsourcing.

This falls apart because the skywest/horizon situation isn't an Electrician doing work for a General. It's a the General replacing a Union Electrician who is already on the job with a Non Union Electrician (home depot hero) who will work for less.
Where did you come up with this deadline nonsense? These routes have been operated by horizon pilots in horizon planes for years.
The same planes on the same routes with undercutting pilots does NOT meet any kind of deadline.

And you completely miss the point, and completely ignore the scenario that you yourself set up. And besides, aren't those Horizon pilots just just sucking the teat by undercutting Alaska pilots?

As for the deadline, again, you used a house building analogy. Apparently, you have no idea how construction contracting works.

Now if Alaska wanted to hire out skywest to move people from Petersburg to Seattle, something mainline guys had been doing for decades, then you'd have a scope issue.

Moving passengers from cities that airline A doesn't serve to places that Airline B doesn't serve is Codeshare.
Using Airline B to move passengers to and from cities that Airline A serves is Scope. They are very different.
I can't dumb it down any further.
You're not alone. Plenty of people don't grasp the concept, that is the very reason it exists.

Hmm? I never said I didn't understand what either are. I was simply dissecting your rather poor analogy. Attacking me and calling names from a simple rebuttal is rather sad on your part.

 

[Hamburger]

Please quote where I called you names. Oh right, I didn't.

Many don't understand it, which is exactly why it is a problem.

The undercutter is coming for your job and if you don't stop him, nobody will.