What is GoJet?

[purduedchi]

Theo...
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I don't usually post on this board...but it's "misinformed" individuals such as yourself that prompts me to do so. GoJet IS AN ALTER EGO CAMPANY. Let me put it this way...Trans States Airlines and their crewmembers have done all of the hard work necessary to expand. Under normal circumstances those aircraft would be flown under our banner. This means that our pilots would be able to bid for such equipment and positions when their seniority and experience would allow them to do so. Now...because of a technicality whit our American contract we cannot operate these aircraft as Trans States Airlines. OK fine, we understand that. So why can we not have one list? This allows pilots to move over to a higher paying equipment (not back) at their leisure. After all, at Trans States the minimum hours to upgrade to captain on the ERJ is 4000 hours. I don't think Go Jet will be any different or more lenient for that matter. So what happens to the 3000 hour captain on the J-41 here? He may not have the time right now to upgrade on the CRJ, or the ERJ for that matter. But what happens in a year when he does...is his window of opportunity gone. Why does he want to go right now and be an FO again at Go Jet? Oh...but he gets to keep 5 years (that's it) of his seniority...not his pay rate...just the 5 years to go and get his/her FO pay again. Let's be honest...I'm sure some people want to go, either to get off reserve, get off a prop, or just think that it's a good deal. Well, maybe to they guy on the street it is, or some from another company...but for the people at TSA, IT SUCKS.
By the way...they are not represented by Teamsters...they are in talks with them...oh, who is they by the way. It's those in the first class of individuals...and who might that be...current TSA management personnel. Not to mention, even if they did ink a deal with teamsters...ask any TSA pilot how the company treats and abides by our current CBA...yeah, have fun with that one.
To be honest, the crews at TSA I don't think want much. I can only speak for myself, but I would like to have only a few things:
1) One list for all pilots
2) Carry all longevity and seniority when moving over
3) Decent pay. Not industry leading necessarily, but fair
4) Use our current contract
I don't think that is too much to ask for. There may be some other minor items...but those I believe are the major ones.
I can't fault those that need to provide for their families and need a job...but there are other options, i.e. Chautauqua, Pinnacle, Comair, Skywest, etc that are hiring. I hope people think twice about this, at least until things are figured out on both sides. It's kind of hard to talk about it as well when our management refuses to do so with our union. Furthermore...it also makes it a little bit harder when they are firing our union members...intersting time to be doing that as well. GoJet and upcomming contract negotiations?
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[theo]

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[cocknbull]

Theo,


Number 1: GoJets is a direct violation of the TSA collective bargaining agreement.

Number 2: The union cannot grieve GoJets until it begins scheduled operations. The union has already released a letter informing the pilot group that it, along with ALPA national is looking into legal action.

 

[temcgrew]

With the pay LESS than $2.00 per hour less than the ERJ-145 pay, I do not believe it is worth while for anyone to go over there who currently works at TSA, or anyone else for that matter!! If they fly the 900's it will be almost DOUBLE THE CAPACITY of the EMB-145! for goodness sakes, TSA has one of the lowest (albeit not the very bottom) pay scales for the 50 seater!! I think it would be a good deal for someone out of a job right now, but that's about it!!

All of the comments like....sounds like a good deal except for the low pay is the stupidest thing that i've heard EVER!!

 

[Black Water Dog]

Aside from a few disenfranchised TSA pilots who wrongly believe they are losing something because of GoJet, there appears to be nothing wrong with going to GoJet. I hear they are represented by Teamsters and that they have received no challenge from ALPA and as stated in previous posts no comments one way or the other from TSA ALPA or national. So seems to me it simply is another opportunity to fly for a new airline. Albeit the rates are not great but how many airlines growing today have great rates?

Is a management-installed union really different than a union-busting outfit like Freedumb? By all means Theo, go ahead and sign on. It would be a pleasure to see you black listed *and* stapled to the bottom of the TSA seniority list when ALPA wins this case.

 

[Black Water Dog]

With the pay LESS than $2.00 per hour less than the ERJ-145 pay, I do not believe it is worth while for anyone to go over there who currently works at TSA, or anyone else for that matter!! If they fly the 900's it will be almost DOUBLE THE CAPACITY of the EMB-145! for goodness sakes, TSA has one of the lowest (albeit not the very bottom) pay scales for the 50 seater!! I think it would be a good deal for someone out of a job right now, but that's about it!!

All of the comments like....sounds like a good deal except for the low pay is the stupidest thing that i've heard EVER!!

And, no block or better pay operating out of the worst airports for delays. Those guys will have smaller paychecks than the ERJ 145 pilots.

 

[theo]

Is a management-installed union really different than a union-busting outfit like Freedumb? By all means Theo, go ahead and sign on. It would be a pleasure to see you black listed *and* stapled to the bottom of the TSA seniority list when ALPA wins this case.

Thats a pretty good Management team if they can install a union all on their own. I always thought that was something the employees got to vote on.

 

[Reelbigfish]

I hear they are represented by Teamsters ........(and later)Thats a pretty good Management team if they can install a union all on their own. I always thought that was something the employees got to vote on.

So which one is it Theo?

 

[theo]

So which one is it Theo?

Sorry, I don't understand your question.

 

[Reelbigfish]

First you said they were ALREADY represented by the Teamsters. Then you said you thought management (the only ones at GoJet at this time) coudn't do it by themselves...that it would require an employee vote. It can't be both ways.

 

[theo]

First you said they were ALREADY represented by the Teamsters. Then you said you thought management (the only ones at GoJet at this time) coudn't do it by themselves...that it would require an employee vote. It can't be both ways.

I reread your statement again and finally got it. You do not believe GoJet has any pilots other than management so it must be management that voted the union in on it's own. An interesting proposition which I wonder about. Why would management volunteer to form a union on their property? That being said my belief was that they must have line pilots or they would not have been able to hold an election. I believe that the group of employees voting have to be certified as non-management ( I admit to not being positive on the rules which is one of the reasons I have written anything on this board, to see if I could acquire knowledge from others who have it) If the employees vote for a union they would be represented by that union. I believe it was posted on this board a few weeks ago that they had voted for the Teamsters. Thus, they would be represented by them, (provided the government certifies the election). I don't believe that management can cause the implementation of a union at any airline. My sarcastic comment was that if they could pull off such a feat then they indeed are very talented. I was not trying to have it "both ways".

My interest in writing on this thread is to get as much information out about a new and potentially major employer in the coming years. The more info that is put out here for all of us to see will help a lot of people in deciding where they may wish to work in the future.

I hope that helps explain my statements. Thanks for asking.

 

[TIGV]

SOB ! Everytime something half worthy comes along, there's always a complication ! I say everyone at TSA on props migrate over there and vote ALPA in and then hold Hulas over the barrel in concert with whoever's left in St Louis, do it fast I'm so sick of riding around all night for 110 hours a month for less than GoJet are gonna pay that I almost shake as my principles prevent my pushing the frikkin' ' send ' button for my resume.

 

[MINIME]

It is the exact same thing as the Freedom thing. Scope clause, Oh! well lets start an alter ego and pay guys off the street half of what they deserve. There might be some guys from TSA that might go but those are the types that would probably cross a picket line when push came to shove anyway. But if I had to bet, no self-respecting Waterskier will be going. I don't think most of them would be able to stand the pressure and anomosity that would come with going to Go Junk (if they ever had to be in one of their crewrooms). My humble suggestion is to stay away from that place. Word has it that lists will be made and preserved.

 

[mckpickle]

87 pilots at MESA didn't care.....and they are remembered!

 

[IHaveAPension]

Word has it that lists will be made and preserved.

WOW that's quite a threat. What's going to happen if my name would end up on that list? Are you going to blacklist me from getting a job? Too late, I already fly for a major. Are you ging to blacklist me from getting a jumpseat? Too bad, I live in my domicile and my airline provides me tickets to position/deposition to trips. I love it when commuter pilots make threats. Thank God my airline hires mostly former military pilots.

 

[Reebo]

WOW that's quite a threat. What's going to happen if my name would end up on that list? Are you going to blacklist me from getting a job? Too late, I already fly for a major. Are you ging to blacklist me from getting a jumpseat? Too bad, I live in my domicile and my airline provides me tickets to position/deposition to trips. I love it when commuter pilots make threats. Thank God my airline hires mostly former military pilots.

what would you do if your company created an alter-ego company created to get around your scope clause?

 

[millhouse21]

WOW that's quite a threat. What's going to happen if my name would end up on that list? Are you going to blacklist me from getting a job? Too late, I already fly for a major. Are you ging to blacklist me from getting a jumpseat? Too bad, I live in my domicile and my airline provides me tickets to position/deposition to trips. I love it when commuter pilots make threats. Thank God my airline hires mostly former military pilots.

I really hope this is flamebait.

 

[Reebo]

Why would management volunteer to form a union on their property?

because they have to. any new uax carrier must have a union on property. ua pilots also obtain 50 percent of the seats. similar to j4j.

 

[Capn Lucky]

Here's the best part. A flight manager who is on loan to GoJet, is acting as a line pilot and negotiating the contract for the future pilots. Rest assured, it will be long term and no block or better. I cannot believe the Teamsters are on board with this. It is a fraud. I'm willing to bet that he will be management very soon with GoJet. Also, each new jet will have 5 furloughed United Pilots. You can bet that they will be captains so Non-movement for FO's will be built in for a long time.

 

[Frequency]

Teamsters are not on board! When ALPA found out that Teamsters signed on to an airline that didnt even exist yet they made a few legal phone calls and Teamsters pulled there offer/charter whatever. At least until the airline is up and running.

The flight manager did go over and tried to get the other pilots (4 of them i think) to vote it in. So that ALPA couldnt merge the seniority lists when the grievance happens and so that pilots wont feel bad about going over (its not ALPA right?) WRONG. Go if you want but be warned.