What is Chautauqua's New Pay Scale?

[Ivan Yankenoff]

So I guess this means you are happy with the fo pay rates and no retirement besides the 401(k).

It would be great if the cubbies won. I put a little wager on them at the beginning of the season in vegas. A longshot but I won a good sum with the pats winning the superbowl a few years back.

Let me see, I know of a few majors that are hiring now or by the first of the year. ATA, AWA, Southwest and AirTran will be a major by first quarter. There is also a few nationals hiring now like Frontier, JetBlue and Spirit. But if history repeats itself the rest who are still in business should be hiring by 07-08.

 

[BlueCanoe]

Let me see, I know of a few majors that are hiring now or by the first of the year. ATA, AWA, Southwest and AirTran will be a major by first quarter. There is also a few nationals hiring now like Frontier, JetBlue and Spirit. But if history repeats itself the rest who are still in business should be hiring by 07-08.

Good Luck!!! Let me know when you get a class date!!

 

[TWAER]

Hey, all FO's know what the pay rates are when apply for the job. If they don't like it, try another "superior" regional.

Let's see Airtran not paid that much more. sad that Ryan INTL does their long hull flying
SW don't have 10,000 for type
ATA know people there say regionals are better QOL sucks pay not great


Now JB, maybe I'll go there and fly a regional jet.

And hey, are you kidding me about retirement plans in the airline industry. Let me just take half of my money and flush it. No thank you. Airtran seems to have the only good retirement plan.

 

[Ivan Yankenoff]

SW don't have 10,000 for type

Should have taken the voluntary furlough and used the WIA program to pay for most of it like I did. Also not quite 10,000 try 7000. Don't need the type to interview. I suppose you couldn't pony up the money if they offered you a job right?

Let's see Airtran not paid that much more. sad that Ryan INTL does their long hull flying

Not paid much more? A second year FO makes more than a third year captain at chq. Don't quote me but FL's payscale will top out around 180/hr when they get the 737's. and ryan won't be doing their flying all that long when they get the 737's this next summer.

ATA know people there say regionals are better QOL sucks pay not great

Hmm, don't know what to say here but I have about twenty friends there and no real complaints from them. You might want to look into their payscale also because at the end of their contract the only carriers with a better scale will be Delta and Northwest provided they don't give into concessions.

And hey, are you kidding me about retirement plans in the airline industry. Let me just take half of my money and flush it. No thank you. Airtran seems to have the only good retirement plan.

Both my DC and DB funds seem to being doing fine even though there are no contributions going into the DC fund now it seems to keep going up at a good clip. The DB plan is fully funded as of Sept 30th. You might want to look into the legislation going through congress right now to help out with the problems with pension plans. You probably don't know anything about it because IBT isn't doing their job and notifying you to call your senators and representatives. I get an email from ALPA about once every other week on legislative affairs.

Bluecanoe, got an interview set up with one of them and I'm told by friends I should be getting a call from one of the others any day but the resigning seniority issue presents a tough decision.

 

[TWAER]

GOt more than 20 friends at ATA and most not all are sorry they took the job. Again, pay is not everything.

 

[brew3departure]

Ivan

Ivan, only one question for you.

If you do in fact have an interview set up with one of these airlines, and you're so quick to point out that you were one of the 28 who voted no (would you like a medal for that, by the way?) - the issue of RESIGNING YOUR SENIORITY NUMBER is a question? Please, please tell me that's not your CHQ seniority number, right?

If you can come on this forum, trash your fellow pilots, trash the company and be so quick to beat your chest about how "I voted no" - it had better be a mainline seniority number you're not wanting to give up. If it is, I understand and pardon me for asking. If not, hypocracy, party of one, your table is ready...

And, either way, good luck on the interview.

-brew3

 

[Ivan Yankenoff]

I haven't trashed the company or the pilots. The only negative things I have said were about the poor contract. I don't ever remember saying CHQ sucks, the pilots suck because I do not believe this so stop trying to make me out to be the a**h*le. I've ripped on airline managements as a whole a said that bb and wexford are laughing themselves silly which they are.

Like I would have an issue with resigning my seniority number with CHQ, not to be disrespectful I have appreciated the employment without the demand of seniority resignation. For your information when you quit a job you automatically resign your seniority number right? So if I quit CHQ to go to one of these other carriers is there an issue with resigning seniority?

We'll see about 28. I've learned that the number of people to have claimed to have voted against a contract a year or two later is increased by about 500%. It's like how many people claim to have been at woodstock or the icebowl. Lambeau field only held about 45,000 at the time but 4,500,000 people claim to have been there.

You still have a seniority number at Midwest connect right? I believe their contract allows you to bypass furlough until all have been recalled(which they have) and then take a year personal loa. It would be wise to do this if possible because you never know. It's always nice to have something to fall back on.

 

[lazy8s]

You know what will happen in seven years, we will be once again at the start of another down cycle.

Ivan,

You must have a Masters in Aviation Planning. A down cycle in 7 years huh?? The cycles go about every 10 years right??

I don't see the current "up-cycle" we are in. I must have mis-read the papers when they said that the industry was in it's WORST downturn in history.

I forgot, you are a friggin genius and know everyting about the industry. What was the name of your consulting group again??

If you are so underpaid and unhappy, Do us all a favor at CHQ, Quit. I don't need an a$$hole like you in my right seat.

Lazy8s

 

[Ivan Yankenoff]

Hmm, who let Ed Gein walk away from Mendota Mental Health Instiitute again. Oh I'm sorry he died in Oak Hill Correctional awhile back.


We are in the upturn moron. Sorry I don't usually lowerer myself to name calling but since it seems to be your forte'. Hmm we just celebrated the year anniversery of the current bull market. Let me guess you didn't see delta results today. A loss but when they get their costs inline it will be a profit. Many people think that CAL will show a profit within the next two quarters. Obviously AirTran, Southwest, Jetblue, America West, and ATA are profitable if not close. I've been told that even Midwest airlines will be profitable in the third quarter.

I agree ten year cycles but it isn't as simple as an on off switch. There is always an area of wallowing where the uncertainty leads corporations to pull in the reins until more positve signs are shown.

How long have you been in this industry? Me personally employed for almost ten years and have been intensely following it for almost twenty five. Third generation back to the beginning of Western with cousins and uncles still at many of the majors. How many thankgiving dinners in your family involved the discussion of airline economics and business plans? I personally don't remember one without. So yes I have a little experience to fall back on. Far from being able to predict the future outside of historically data.

I don't see the current "up-cycle" we are in. I must have mis-read the papers when they said that the industry was in it's WORST downturn in history.

You must not have read the papers in awhile then. I remember the CEO's of Delta, CAL, AMR, AWA, FL, TZ, UAL and YX stating that the have seen marked improvement with only the normal pull back of Sept.

 

[TWAER]

IVAN, I agree we are in the start of turnaround, not an upswing. This turnaround has come at the expense of the employees that make up the airlines. It has also come with the outsourcing of flying to the regionals. Instead of losing Billions they are down to millions and most will still report losses way into next year. I do not see an upswing at all. The majors are just reducing the expenses they have to show investers that brighter days are ahead. Ticket prices are too low and the business traveler is pretty much gone for good. In my opinion, in which you will not agree, the cycles of the airline industry, that have existed in the past are gone as we know it. My family is also rooted in the Airlines but that was before 9/11 and before the total explosion of the regional carriers. Even if the economy gets red hot again, don't look for much hiring or expansion of any of the mainline carriers. They will just outsource it to the lowest bidder. That way, when the economy tanks again(and it will), they do not get raped again like they did in 2001. Anyway just my opinion( and that of my next door nieghbor who has flown for 25 years at Delta).

 

[Ivan Yankenoff]

Twaer,

In many aspects I completely agree with you. I don't see an upswing either and if anyone believes that the late 1990's will return then they need to be put into a mental ward. One thing I do believe is that the end is in sight for the 40-69 pax regional jet. They are still, with cheap labor, too expensive to operate. Another thing passengers hate them. They are fine on hour to 1.5 hour flights but longer than that I can't stand being on them and I'm a relatively small person. The future will be in the emb170's, 175's, 190's, 195's, and the Dornier series if it ever returns. The big question is who will fly them?

 

[TWAER]

Agreed, I just hope Mainline does the flying.