What if part of an equip. is inop?

[Ralgha]

So what do you do with regards to the FARs if only a portion of a piece of equipment is inop, and it still functions correctly?

Example a transponder that's internal lighting doesn't work. The transponder works fine otherwise. Does this need to be placarded and such? Just a placard that says "lighting inop" or what?

Thanks.

 

[midlifeflyer]

With the twists and turns in the way the FAA treats the 91.213(d) analysis, I'd be concerned with treating "partial inops" as anything other than an indication that the piece of equipment is inoperative. That transponder =doesn't= function correctly. Corect functioning means that the light works.

On placarding? That's =never= enough. Assuming the equipment isn't required by something, the trio for flying with inop equipment is "deactivate or remove, placard, and (sometimes) log". And, if the equipment doesn't fit into the "pilot-authorized preventative maintenance" box, removal or deactivation has to be via a mechanic.

Pretty silly in your example, and I'm sure that many would take off with the lighting in a transponder or radio inoperative, but unless it's done by a mechanic with a log entry, I sure wouldn't advertise it by sticking up a placard.

 

[justApilot]

Always consult the MEL. If it is not contained in the MEL or there is no MEL. It gotsta work.

 

[Ralgha]

Re: Re: What if part of an equip. is ino

On placarding? That's =never= enough. Assuming the equipment isn't required by something, the trio for flying with inop equipment is "deactivate or remove, placard, and (sometimes) log". And, if the equipment doesn't fit into the "pilot-authorized preventative maintenance" box, removal or deactivation has to be via a mechanic.

Yeah I know placarding is never enough, that's why I said "placarded and such". I was too lazy to list them all out.

Thanks for the input.

 

[501261]

“Technically” if it’s a piece of equipment is not working the way it is designed to work, then it is inop. Whether it be a reply light or a rotating beacon that doesn’t rotate, they’re technically inop.

Real life…. That reply light is simply very dim and hard to see in daylight.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Always consult the MEL. If it is not contained in the MEL or there is no MEL. It gotsta work.

That's not accurate. 91.213(d) spends a lot of time telling you when you may fly with inoperative equipment if there is no MEL. In fact it starts off

"... a person may takeoff an aircraft in operations conducted under this part with inoperative instruments and equipment without an approved Minimum Equipment List provided...."

 

[justApilot]

That's not accurate. 91.213(d) spends a lot of time telling you when you may fly with inoperative equipment if there is no MEL. In fact it starts off

"... a person may takeoff an aircraft in operations conducted under this part with inoperative instruments and equipment without an approved Minimum Equipment List provided...."

midlifer........in my line of work it is accurate

 

[A Squared]

midlifer........in my line of work it is accurate

Uhhh, yes, but the question wasn't asked in the context of your "line of work" (whatever that means) it was asked in a general context, by somone in part 91 flight instruction (according to his profile) So, in the context that the question is asked, no your answer is not accurate.

 

[justApilot]

I guess I should have assumed that his profile meant that he was asking a general part 91 question. And had you looked at mine you would have known what my "line of work" is.

 

[avbug]

Current Position...Covered Up.

Your profile indicates "covered up." From that we are to infer what? You are under cover? You are furloughed and spend a lot of time in bed? You are dead? You are trapped in an airplane that has been buried (presumably a MD-80)? Perhaps just didn't make it out of the cockpit after the last flight and you're mothballed somewhere hoping for rescue?

Sounds like in that context then the issue of MEL or inoperative equipment is rather pointless.

I guess this will teach you to carry a Leatherman, next time. Or a cell phone. Don't respond. It may break your "cover."


...or perhaps the current position is a dawn patroller. That kind of line of work.

Incidentally, FE isn't a rating, it's a certificate. Piston, Turbopropeller, or Turbojet are ratings applied to the Flight Engineer certificate, but FE is not a rating. It's a separate certificate.