What I sent the 3arbitrators...

[maxblast72]

When is the arbitration panel expected to issue the UAL-CAL SLI award?

 

[Continental]

Yesterday...But that's still a few weeks away.

 

[whymeworry?]

Hopefully this letter will finally allow the arbitrators to understand the arrogance of the sCAL pilot group:

Arrogance by sCAL pilot group? Are you kidding me? Boy that's calling the kettle black. The level of arrogance and entitlement (and cluelessness) I've seen out out a number of sUAL types has been downright appalling.

And btw, the bases thing goes both ways, our B756 flying has been decimated by sUAL equipment. You guys have come into our bases just as we have yours so put your crack pipe down for a second and study the facts.

As far as "windfall": The UAL proposal is a joke in that regard. Here are just a few laughs:
1) Furloughees to go ahead of active pilots? Riiiiight, sure. You guys were sitting at home working that Zeinth remote controller, or working for someone else, and suddenly you're going to come in and take an active employees job form the merged company? Does't work that way in any industry, certainly not ours.

2) sUAL pilot to fence their WBs (777s) but then also have access to ours? Talk about entitled.

3) sUAL to grab our 787 slots? Seriously, who is y'alls crack dealer?

And then look as how the sUAL pilots are slotted in via their proposal. At least CAL went one-for one. sUAL throws in blocks of hundreds of pilots. The arbitrators see right through that arrogance. Your committee clearly made a mistake by coming in from so far off the grid with such an over-the-top proposal. Will you guys get punished for that? Not sure yet. But the sCAL proposal was certainly more in line with level-headed thinking. And I'm saying that even with the mindset that I feel we gave too much away to you guys.

Windfall hit? My seniority would take a 20% hit under the sUAL proposal.

But Im sure you think that's OK, AirMike. Get over yourself.

Go ahead with your threats of a "bloodbath" if things don't go your way. See how that plays out for your career when you start threatening fellow aviators (something we've seen sUAL pilots do many times already). I've read how you guys plan to carry nasa reports and turn in sCAL captains. How long do you think that's going to work for you? It goes both ways.

God forbid the arbitrators consider all the evidence and arguments both sides made. That's how things work in our society, Brother. Both sides make their case, a judge, or panel of judges in this case, make ruling. Deal with it, just as we will all have to because no side is going to "win".

I suspect you're going to continue to be a very bitter person for the rest of your career. Do yourself a favor, find a hobby that takes your mind off the supposed injustices you feel you've faced. Otherwise the angst will eat away at your core. This job isn't worth it.

 

[eaglesview]

Hey why me worry......you seem worried!!

 

[sniper]

You guys just don't get it. I'm simply laying out the possible futures of UAL for the arbs. The blood will be on their hands should they choose the sCAL insult. Those arbs will have a tough time getting a job at Truckmasters much less hear another case. The majority of the real United pilots feel the same way I do. ALPA is on life support right now and we will pull the plug if they allow they abrogation of ethics, integrity, and morales to continue.

ALPA what? you are a joke dude

 

[dicko]

ALPA is on life support right now and we will pull the plug if they allow they abrogation of ethics, integrity, and morales to continue.

"Man who can't spell morals, shouldn't post about morals".

- Ho Chi Minh. 1894

 

[whymeworry?]

Hey why me worry......you seem worried!!

Not in the least. Whatever happens, happens. Both sides made their case for their pilots. I'm confident that ours was based more on facts than anything else. Even if we get screwed, I can rest in the fact that our MC's strategy was well placed and intelligently argued on our behalf.

It just gets old listening to quite a few sUAL pilots view of things. A lot of them cherry pick their side's data and completely ignore the opposing view or cross-examination. To be fair, not all do this but a majority of U-hires I fly with have this "you needed this merger more than we did" mentality even though they're still on furlough from sUAL. A lot of the "facts" their experts built their case on were simply proven wrong during cross or rebuttals yet it's as though they didn't bother to read that part of the proceedings.

sUAL pilots have nobody to blame but their predecessor ALPA leaders who sold them out on scope to save the retirement (which was lost anyway, tragic as that may be). That scope relief gave the company the option to park 737s when oil spiked and the economy crashed. We parked 67 of the same planes for the same reasons, economy and oil prices, but the difference was we had new aircraft on order years before any merger idea. They didn't.

Or course, they can equally blame their anti-labor former CEO as well.

 

[waveflyer]

What's "sUAL"?

 

[PCL_128]

What's "sUAL"?

sUAL = subsidiary UAL
sCAL = subsidiary CAL

Took me a while to figure it out, too.

 

[Captain X]

"Man who can't spell morals, shouldn't post about morals".

- Ho Chi Minh. 1894

He was referring to the 4th Hispanic arbitrator. You know, the one they've hired a super-expensive lobby firm to grease the palms of.

I mean, look how good they did getting that release they were saying was imminent all the time.

 

[Captain X]

What's "sUAL"?

Sue All.

What they plan to do if they don't get their way.

Right after they're done with the tantrum. In the forward galley of a "Jumbo."