What Has Gone Right In Iraq

[Typhoon1244]

Now, just how did you twist that to "anyone who disagrees with the President is a moron and a coward?"

Okay, let's see. 100LL wrote: "Therefore Bush was justified. Besides, it needed doing anyway. Final score, Bush did the right thing, and you only hate him because in your cowardice you fear that angering these arab nutcases further will disturb your pleasant little life. Cowards. I bet there is nothing you would be willing to die for."

In other words, if you disagree with Bush's decision to go into Iraq, you're a coward. (The 'moron' thing just came from 100's overall tone. )

Feeling a little paranoid, are we?

No, just frustrated. You're an intelligent guy--and an airline pilot, no less--who likes George Bush. That's like a fitness buff that only eats at McDonalds.

I don't get it.

 

[Snoopy58]

As for Bush's jokes on WMD:

The Wall Street Journal asked for reader reactions on the WMD jokes -- specifically, readers with military connections. They received 101 replies. Three of the replies were negative, although none of the 3 were active military (former, parent, and ROTC iirc). The remaining 98 responses, including LOTS of active military folks, including some in Iraq & Afghanistan, were all favorable. Many VERY favorable about Bush's use of humor concerning WMD.

It's convenient for the "we know best" liberals to claim that Bush dishonors our servicemen with his jokes, but they sure don't see it that way!

 

[A Squared]

Thanks, Tony,

Was a great evening. Loved the stories about the Paris air show. Folks, if I ever go to Paris for the air show, I'm going with TonyC. THIS man really knows how to work the perks. I'm talking about front row seats on the flightline, unlimited free booze. Musta kissed the Blarney stone somewhere along the way!

 

[sqwkvfr]

Good God, ya need a pair of earplugs to read this thread!

 

[Typhoon1244]

Good God, ya need a pair of earplugs to read this thread!

You're telling me!

 

[blueridge71]

How convenient that 350 driver forgets the large group that believe that he had weapons prior to the war.

Among those who professed that he didn't:

The French
American Liberals
The Germans

I've got to disagree. I don't even remember those three groups claiming that Saddam was clean. They were only saying that we should let inspectors find them.

Bush lied to the American people, bottom line and he needs to be held accountable for his actions.

Okay, this is a myth. It is a charge that is being bandied about with no basis whatsoever. If George Bush lied, then so did the following people:


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq
the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction
and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom
line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our
purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the
threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction
program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens
there matters a great deal here. For the risks that
the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
chemical or biological weapons against us or our
allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again,
as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser,
Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and
consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to
take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air
and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to
end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl
Levin, Tom Daschle, John
Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of
weapons of mass destruction technology which is a
threat to countries in the region and he has made a
mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building
weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his
cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of St ate, Nov.
10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has
invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate
that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status.
In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery
systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit
missile program to develop longer-range missiles that
will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham
(D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein
is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of
the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United
Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction
and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of
biological and chemical weapons throughout his
country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has
proven impossible to deter and we should assume that
it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is
seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October
of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains
some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons,
and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare
capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is
seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United
States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to
disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly
arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is
a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is
working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and
will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five
years ... We also should remember we have always
underestimated the progress Saddam has made in
development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of
the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution
that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear
capacity. This he has
refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left,
intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has
worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and
sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam
Hussein will
continue to increase his capacity to wage biological
and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop
nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling
evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a
number of years, a developing capacity for the
production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein.
He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an
oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly
grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating
America's response to his continued deceit and his
consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of
mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

 

[Typhoon1244]

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq
the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction
and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom
line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our
purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the
threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction
program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Tell me, blueridge, where is the lie in these two statements? In both cases, Clinton spoke of the importance of preventing Saddam from acquiring these weapons.

That's a far cry from insisting that Saddam actually had the weapons. I don't deny Clinton's a liar. All presidents are, to a certain degree. But let's not take 'mission statements' like the two above and try to twist them into lies.

 

[ch47fe]

Simple view for me and bottom line.

Regardless of your party affiliation I do not want to deal with more terrorist action here in the US. I feel if we do not deal with it at the source in some manner we will not be able to go to a mall or park without living in fear of an attack.

I realize it is a possibility for an attack today but I feel it is less likely if we kill the ba$tards over there instaed of letting them migrate over here to cause more trouble.

For those that believe non military actions will do more good(sanctions, buying friends with US money, trade deals) in the long run you must have gotten your A$$ kicked often when you gave your bully the lunch money everytime.

Terrorists are playing a big game of life and death bully. Whether they are Muslim, Irish Catholic or Christians every religion understands that dead is dead and you will find out what your religious beliefs are all about after you are DEAD.

I personally think it's a bad policy to make deals and pacify murderers to not create havok with us.

Casualties happen in war but the service of our soldiers is held in honor in my heart. It could be me or you once drafted(will never happen again)with blown off limbs, suffering severe burns, or dead leaving wifes and children behind but this fight is not unjust by my view. I thank those brave enough to defend me and my family on their watch. Every soldier in any service VOLUNTEERED to go where ANY ELECTED PRESIDENT decides to send them not just who they like that term.

God bless the daily wounded or KIA in the middle east and let's hope they can come home alive.

For me pulling out now is a bad idea as the Spanish government has already sent messages to terrorists around the world a message of if you $hit on me hard enough I will submit to your desires. God help us friends if we ever decide to accept this attitude in our country. At some point you have to stand up and protect yourself.

That's a simplistic view in my opinion. It's not all that complicated.

I agree with huey pilot on the invasions occupations of Japan and Germany. It worked out there but they weren't radical muslims either.

I look forward to any reasonable response.

 

[countbat]

The gas price at my local Wall-Mart went up. I am outraged. I want my cheap gas and a bigger SUV. I don't give a @#$#@ about all that Irak staff. OPEC doesn't do their job????? We have Irak, 10 more to go.
They want peace???? They will have all the peace they want when the oil will be gone. I go to buy another SUV and better the gas price will go down.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Simple view for me and bottom line.

Every soldier in any service VOLUNTEERED to go where ANY ELECTED PRESIDENT decides to send...

What about Supreme Court APPOINTED PRESIDENTS?

(Relax, I'm not one of those Gore nuts. I think there's definitely a 60% chance our last election was valid.)