What happened to the thread about the grinch?

[shanes123]

Flex bid is history. The only hope of that staying was the union. But all the Flex IGMs squashed any hope of that with the like of solidarity. But they will blame the union and not see that it was actually Flex pilots that killed their own schedule. LMFAO. And they have been told from day one that KR would never go for a Flex bid but they believed his lies. LMFAO, What KR wants really is a 8/6 but that has only been whispered in closed circles. However once the union is decertified anyone wanna bet a years salary that will be everyone's new schedule ? Everything that has been said the last almost 3 years now has happened or slowly happening. And it would have all happened if the union hasn't been around to stand in their way. Flex is looking at a huge paycut. You don't like paying dues????? Wait tilll you take a 50k+ hit a year. Wishing all the crews that don't want to pull together a very unhappy New Year. It's coming. But hey look at the bright side you all got new uniforms and you get to keep the Flexjet name. That's all that really matters

 

[Club ORD FO]

No surprise Flexbid is gone. The guys at the top(the 20 or so) already got their payoff so there is little union support from them. So should the union cater to the nonMIGS? That would be really doom the union. Uncle Kenn doesn't like Flexbid anyway. He really wants the 8/7. The 7/7 was negotiated at the expense of the 16+2. The Options pilots have been on this roller coaster for decades.

This simply isn't true. First off, KR has told us many times, and I heard it directly from him, that he likes Flexbid after learning about the benefits to the company. Second, one of the negotiating reports said "the company made it clear that they want to keep flexbid". And third, and most importantly, his preferred schedule is evidently the make-your-own as that is what he has implemented for the red label. If he liked 8/6 (or whatever) then thats what he would have demanded for the new fleets. But he didn't. The union proposal of a combo of 7/7 and flexbid seems to be a good compromise. Personally I wouldn't mind if the make-your-own someone gets into the contract as well but my brain hurts just thinking about how to make that work.

And in response to someone else posting about red label not doing well, what's your source on that? I'm not part of the program but I'm still rooting for the sales department. According to the recent email we are evidently on track for record sales. Sounds like it is doing well to me.

And for my third mini-rant, I don't agree with the "you'd better support the union or you're going to lose XYZ" argument several people keep pushing. Trying to get support by spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt is not effective. Stick to facts.

 

[Praetorian]

This simply isn't true. First off, KR has told us many times, and I heard it directly from him, that he likes Flexbid after learning about the benefits to the company. Second, one of the negotiating reports said "the company made it clear that they want to keep flexbid". And third, and most importantly, his preferred schedule is evidently the make-your-own as that is what he has implemented for the red label. If he liked 8/6 (or whatever) then thats what he would have demanded for the new fleets. But he didn't. The union proposal of a combo of 7/7 and flexbid seems to be a good compromise. Personally I wouldn't mind if the make-your-own someone gets into the contract as well but my brain hurts just thinking about how to make that work.

And in response to someone else posting about red label not doing well, what's your source on that? I'm not part of the program but I'm still rooting for the sales department. According to the recent email we are evidently on track for record sales. Sounds like it is doing well to me.

And for my third mini-rant, I don't agree with the "you'd better support the union or you're going to lose XYZ" argument several people keep pushing. Trying to get support by spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt is not effective. Stick to facts.

https://youtu.be/f0Rm0x73oD4

 

[shanes123]

Hey club I got a bridge for sale real cheap. Your gonna make millions on this deal I promise. You are the most gullible person I have ever seen. It's actually scary. KR is lying. Look up the definition of the word lying please. Wow how can somebody be that dumb, naive , gullible ???? I will bet any amount of money you wish that Flex bid has been flushed down the toilet with the rest of Flexjet. Minus the name. KR wants a 8/6 he is telling his most trusted soldiers that. Problem is a secret is no longer a secret as soon as you tell someone. No matter what I say or anyone else you will refuse to see what's right in front of your face. And when it's gone you will still believe it's coming back. Club you must be a salesman biggest dream when you walk into a car dealership.

 

[Club ORD FO]

If he wants 8/6, then why isn't he doing that now on red label? Are you suggesting he's letting everyone get cozy with the make-your-own and then one day he will simply say "nope just kidding, you're all 8/6 now."?

anywat it doesn't matter. My point is you won't have any luck convincing people to support the union based on speculation and the fear of losing something. That sales tactic isn't working very well as less than half the flex pilots are paying their dues. So be a better salesman. Deal in facts.

 

[doh]

I have the benefit of knowing club personally. He is right in what we are experiencing at Flexjet. I know some of you don't like hearing that. I don't like it much myself, but Flex pilots do not believe it will get worse. It takes the facts of what we have lost to make an impact.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Pro union arguments I support:

- Do you feel you are adequately paid? Do you think the large cabin pay is industry average or better? How do you feel about the red label pilots being paid significantly more than regular line pilots who do the same job? Do you think that if we bargain as a group we can achieve better pay?
- How do you fee about out of seniority upgrades and transfers that have happened and continue to happen?
- How do you feel about out of seniority furloughs? Have you seen the proposal by the company that gives added protection to red label pilots?
- Speaking of furlough, would you like to have recall rights or just preferential hiring?
- Have you ever felt pressured to fly tired or to break an FAA or FOM rule? Would you be more confident in your decision making if you knew that you had union support if you ever got called into the office?
- With the numerous changes that have been made, would you have liked to had a say in the details? PTO time, vacation, bonus structure...
- Would you like to have scope protection in the event of a sale or merger of the company?
- Do you feel that you are able to speak out mind or ask questions without fear of punishment (on yammer for example)?

All of that can be backed up with what has happened or is happening. This is the type of stuff pilots grumble about in the cockpit. Not "oh man I'm gonna lose flexbid even though all signs point to that not happening. Or "They're all liars in general and non specific ways and are out to get us."

 

[shanes123]

Don't support the union I could careless. I am not pro union I am pro pilot. Something flex pilots are not. ( VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE ANYWAY) but your Flex bid is going BYE BYE. And when it does I will be on here laughing in your faces like I have at everything else you guys have lost. And only because everyone of you flex guys have been told and warned but continue down your own self destructing path. As far as red label he is doing a 8/6 if you look at their metrics they have to make the only way to make full bonus is a 8/6 or worse you will never get full bonus on a 8/7, 7/7 and sure as hell not on Flex bid. But again believe what you like. But when I'm LMFAO when Flexbid goes and you all are crying like a bunch of little baby B$tches. Don't blame the union, don't blame the arbitrator don't even blame KR. Blame yourselves.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Again, not correct. The domestic label pays a bonus if you average 6 days on or more. You can work as few as 4. I'm not sure about the international red label but I know they tend to work longer rotations. They way the structured that whole deal is not very attractive in my opinion.

And you should care about other pilots supporting the union. Solidarity is important. It's partly how netjets is continually able to get an industry leading contract.

 

[shanes123]

It pays a bone us. Not the full bone us. Whatever keep your head wherever you keep it. Good luck with that. And I will be ROFLMAO when your little world of rainbows and cupcakes comes crashing down. Bah bye suckers

 

[doh]

Club, this is their version of South Park Timmy. It's best to just let it go.

 

[Bjtdrvr]

. It's partly how netjets is continually able to get an industry leading contract.

MOSTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[shanes123]

That's right professionals sticking together as professionals. Again MOST flex guys need a dictionary for that word also. But then they wouldn't understand it anyway or refuse to understand it. Very frustrating. But it is what it is. As I look for greener pastures I will take comfort in watching these guys that think their getting a hand up over another pilot crash n burn KARMA IS A B.

 

[dime line]

Club ORD FO;2544301]If he wants 8/6, then why isn't he doing that now on red label?

UNION, that is why

 

[doh]

Sans IBT, this would be a fiasco.