What does it take to get on with ASA???

[SkyBoy1981]

We had slowed to ten amonth for two months, but now are ramping up for 20 a month again next month. They are limiting the number of Delta guys now, because they dont want a mass exit when they get called back. Many guys getting hired with @ 1,500 hours now. Competitive mins are dropping again.

Well, thats good news.

 

[73belair]

You still bought your job dude! It does not matter if you paid for it or your mom or pop. Even a rich uncle sam. You still paid for your job. And that hurts all the pilots trying to make a living.It is wrong because it sets a bad example to younger less experienced pilots. It tells them, that it is ok to take short cuts even if it hurts your fellow pilots. Your low pay and crap schedule is because the company you work for now has nothing to lose. They didn't spend a time to train you, so why do they care if you are happy and enjoying your job. They do not have a 20k investment in you. You leave big deal. Now the company that pays for their own pilots...Now they have something to lose.


You made your bed, you sleep in it!

I don't think at ASA people will have much of a problem with someone PFT. A good number of the people who were hired before Delta did PFT. Get over it.

 

[I Hate Freight]

Oh yea, by the way for those of you who love to say "PFT", I got three letters for you, its called "WIA", look it up, its a government grant program that will get you type ratings or whatever you need, thats how I got in. Takes alot of research to find these government deals, but if its available and I can have it for free, why not?

Free? It's not FREE. Somebody is paying for it. Guess who?

IHF

 

[gear_guy]

You still bought your job dude! It does not matter if you paid for it or your mom or pop. Even a rich uncle sam. You still paid for your job. And that hurts all the pilots trying to make a living.It is wrong because it sets a bad example to younger less experienced pilots. It tells them, that it is ok to take short cuts even if it hurts your fellow pilots. Your low pay and crap schedule is because the company you work for now has nothing to lose. They didn't spend a time to train you, so why do they care if you are happy and enjoying your job. They do not have a 20k investment in you. You leave big deal. Now the company that pays for their own pilots...Now they have something to lose.


You made your bed, you sleep in it!

Give me A break dude! I know you're a gold seal ATP and all (ahem...), but you would do the same thing. If you could get a free type rating, you'd do it. You would be stupid not too. Granted I would have done a 737 type, but whatever. Anyone that says this is PFT is just jealous. You probably have an app on file with Southwest don't you?

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Someone who does their research and is awarded such a grant is certainly not to blame for taking it. The problem is, instead of combining their training paid for by the grant with other earned experience and getting hired by a quality company, they choose to go to work for an outfit that only hired them because the training was coming out of someone else's pocket. Going to work for this type of an outfit supports a practice that brings our entire industry down, and hurts pilots everywhere.

 

[SEFlyer]

I know its tough to get in there right now, lots of guys on here seem to think its one of the better regionals so I am sure its pretty competitive. Thanks again for your input.

Oh yea, by the way for those of you who love to say "PFT", I got three letters for you, its called "WIA", look it up, its a government grant program that will get you type ratings or whatever you need, thats how I got in. Takes alot of research to find these government deals, but if its available and I can have it for free, why not? Oh yea, and I am not a minority, anyone can do this!

Thanks again to the guys and gals on here with something legit to say!

PEACE!

You don't get a job flying a 727 with less than 1000 hours and just a type rating. You paid for something, and my guess it was training. You may have already had the type rating, but you paid for something. No one hires for a 727 with less than 2500 hours and an ATP, which you obviously don't have.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

You don't get a job flying a 727 with less than 1000 hours and just a type rating. You paid for something, and my guess it was training. You may have already had the type rating, but you paid for something. No one hires for a 727 with less than 2500 hours and an ATP, which you obviously don't have.

I think its all who you know in the day and age and money can do a lot.

 

[FL000]

ASA is not hiring many pilots right now. My guess the best way to get hired at ASA is to have a Delta seniority number. The next best way is to have a connection with one of the connected power players in the airline ( seems like Interns and folks in Ops who made the right friends have an "in" with lower times )

However, with only 1,000 hours it is going to be tough - sorry - wish that I could give you better news. The airline is awash with resumes from furloughed mainline pilots and a lot of good guys from the fallout at the US Air regionals.
~~~^~~~

Not so according to multiple sources in training. They can't get enough apps from qualified pilots. They recently interviewed someone with 300/12 (not an intern). No joke. Also, I'd say 20 per month for 15 months is more than "not many."

 

[gear_guy]

You don't get a job flying a 727 with less than 1000 hours and just a type rating. You paid for something, and my guess it was training. You may have already had the type rating, but you paid for something. No one hires for a 727 with less than 2500 hours and an ATP, which you obviously don't have.

Like I said....jealous.

You wish you could be in the same position Mr. 1000 hour cfi.

Until someone has credible info that this guy paid for training I think all the naysayers should shush!

I'm sorry, but I'm just tired of everybody flaming people without all the information in hand.

 

[cynic]

It turns out the right stuff is $60K

http://www.flightsafetyacademy.com/main/index.php

Good luck!

 

[wms]

What does it take to get on with ASA???

A lobotomy. I left a part 135 operator where I was on call 24/7 and had no life thinking I'd have it better here. After 4 years things here are still worse than what I left. I've been on reserve three out of four years and am back on reserve again. Only now am I making the same money that I left. And the quality of life and attitude of mgmt is not what was promised and it's not gonna get better.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Skyboy-

Why would ASA frown on PFT? They used to do it themselves! That'd kinda be hippocritical, which airlines NEVER are. ;-)

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Well, I doubt that the airline management would frown on it at all. The Captains participating in the interview may not be too thrilled with it, and I'm sure that they have a certain amount of influence on the outcome of the interview process.

 

[gear_guy]

You know, If it smells like sh it, it probably is sh it.
If a 1000hr pilot is flying a 727, and wants to leave.....He is probably
living on bought time. 250hrs of bought time.
Any reasonable pilot that worked hard to get the job would know how
difficult it is to get and never in a million years want to leave. Expecially if this
pilot only has 1000 hrs.
Smells like sh it.........PFT Sh it.....

Unreal! Are you slow? Once again, listen carefully....Do you have any proof?
If not shush....I got my first type at 800 hours and I left when I got 1200 hours. I have never pft'D. It is not unheard of to leave for QOL.

Also it strikes me as funny to hear people who took a job making 19/hr talking about others bringing the industry down. If the guy got a job flying a 727 with 1000 hours he is doing alot more to help the industry than those taking that slave wage job.

PS- Do you have a gold seal ATP? Never heard of that one...

 

[boomlrd]

Jealous??

As some of you have stated, I must be a PFT if I have a job on a 727 with only 1000 hrs, well it gets better than that, I started here with only 550 hrs, how bout' dem' apples?? It is very true its all about who you know, and money. I found a government grant program called WIA, that pays for all type of training for people, from welding to type ratings, it was FREE, so I used it!!!! Why not??! I used my skills as a good detective to find a way around being a CFI and living off 15 bucks an hr scounging for students - sorry not my gig! You guys that have 2,500-4000 hrs and are still F/O's can have it, I hope that by getting in my time at an early stage I won't be asking your help to get on with ASA, but maybe Southwest instead. I have nothing against going the CFI route, I think thats great, but I did about 40hrs as a CFI and hated it. So I found a way around it, yes I had to network, and yes I had to sell myself to them. But apparrently from all the PM's I have been getting, alot of you would like the same opportunity. Funny how that works. By the way, while I was in the WIA office here, I found something very interesting, other pilots getting type ratings as well!!! For Free!! I believe that 2 of them were getting thier WIA/PFT (whatever you want to call it) money so they could get a 737 type for Southwest! How terrible!! For those of you that hate us who won't live on food stamps and won't learn everything we need to learn by being a good CFI, get over it, cuz alot more of us will pass you by as well!! Lets be honest, I have only been a pilot for a short time, but I spent six years in the AirForce flying on a KC-135R, so I got a clue, and alot of help from some of those guys, flying ain't rocket science, its gotten easier over the years, airlines don't need guys with big time degrees and tons of CFI time. They need robots that are willing to be there on time and do the job safely. Oh yea and don't forget, a positive attitude. I got into this career because I love to fly, not because I wanted to punish myself as a CFI for the next few years. I can plainly see that some of you hate your life, so move on. For the rest of us who are positive, and resourceful, we want to enjoy are career and for the most part I do. I only asked about ASA and Comair because I had heard such good things. I am not one of these guys that sends my resume' out weekly to every concievable place and hopes for a bite. I have some self worth and want to go and create my own path at the places that I would like to work, hence the reason why I only ask about those two airlines. By the way, for those of you that think that I "bought" 250 hrs, I am a full time guaranteed employee, not contract and I make 47.50 per hr with a 60hr guarantee and 30bucks a day per diem domestic, 50 international. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, and after hearing all of the bitching and moaning on here, I guess that ain't too bad. I just wanted to get myself into something with mainline connections to broaden the resume' and to get those kickass travel priveledges and to come home more often. Like I said in an earlier post, to each his own! PEACE!!

P.S. Thanks to all of you that gave some well thought out input and the ones who PM'd me about working here!

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

I don't understand

Boomlrd,

Sounds like you started off an an intern at one of the supplimentals like Express One or Kitty Hawk, etc. and then after a while doing that, slid into maybe the back seat of the 727. You probably flew cessna's or something on the side to build your total time and quickly upgraded to FO on the 727. It only makes sense to me that you were laid off after 911 or something like that and used the WIA to get a 727 type because you realized you couldn't get another airline job with your hours. So the airline you're at now probably hired you into the right seat of the 727 because of your engineer time and your type rating, and you probably signed a "training contract" so if you leave, say before 6 years or so, you'll have to pay the airline back the prorated amount. By the way, can you even get a type rating or an ATP with only 1000 hours?
Anyway, it takes a certain type of person to fly supplimental night freight, and you do have to put up with some BS that pax carriers don't deal with, but still I can't figure why you would want to leave your airline and go to work for the regionals? Not to slam the regionals, but where can you have a "week on/week off" schedule where you can actually plan activities, or even vacations, on your off days. And I"m sure, unless youre flying for CAT, that you make pretty good money, alot more than a newhire FO at the regionals. **I know there may be some exceptions, but generally speaking**, supplimental captains can make alot more than regional captains, especially if you work a little overtime. Anyway, I'm not upset or anything, i just don't understand why you want to leave your 727 job, that's all. Anyway, good luck. Sol

 

[FlyChicaga]

You can get a type without an ATP. Very possible.

B727... I'm jealous! That's a beautiful airplane. Too bad there aren't many left.

 

[boomlrd]

sure can

Yes, you can get a type without an ATP, u could even get a type with just a private like John Travolta!

 

[ILStoMinimums]

You can get a type without an ATP. Very possible.

B727... I'm jealous! That's a beautiful airplane. Too bad there aren't many left.

I was thinking the same thing. Don't remember of seeinf anything that stated you need your ATP to get typed.

 

[BoilerUP]

Not so according to multiple sources in training. They can't get enough apps from qualified pilots. They recently interviewed someone with 300/12 (not an intern). No joke. Also, I'd say 20 per month for 15 months is more than "not many."

Can anybody else verify this? Where the falk would they find somebody with that time, DCA? Was it a woman?

Expressjet's 600/100 is super low, but TSA & PDT have taken pilots recently in the 500/50 ballpark from certain college programs. I can't see why ASA wouldn't be able to find better qualified pilots...