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Jet University provides the only First Officer Part 121 Jet Internship Program, including a 6-month minimum flying contract with a Part 121 Boeing 727 carrier. In 6 months, you will earn $30/flight hour which is more than twice the normal Regional Airline pay.
During the 6 months contract, you will fly the Boeing 727 into most of the busiest airports in the US, as well as experiencing international flying into Canada, Mexico, Central and South America. Our airline internships represent a unique opportunity for the low time pilot to acquire real Part 121 experience and Boeing 727 Jet Aircraft time.
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www.jetuniversity.com

Looks like the guy (Heath Cohen) in charge of this new operation (I'm guessing it's new) was/is with Gulfstream:
http://www.gulfstreamacademy.com/newwebsite/hiring_program.html
 
Surprised no one has made any comments. I just called the place to see what was really going on. Here ya go (you're welcome!):
I only inquired about the FO program.
$33,000 = 500TT (250 FE then 250 FO) flying 727's for Custom Air Transport. Must go to Miami area for 2 months for training (he said 'in a beautiful building with 18 full motion sims'). After training you get to go back home and they give you positive space tickets on airlines to go fly all over the country including the foriegn countries listed in the thread starter quote above. You make 30/hour..per diem with CAT who has an overflow contract with UPS. So you make 18k of your 33k back. He said the program has been around for 6 years but has not been advertised. Something called Sim Center that trained pilots for CAT were the folks doing this for pretty much the same price. He stated in the past if someone were hired to stay on with CAT permanently they make 45/hr. For financing he only mentioned Wachovia. Also, he was very straight foward about himself and 2 or 3 others leaving Gulfstream (Which he referred to as "another pay for training program") to start this program.
 
I met one of the JetU guys just recently and I couldnt help but have my attention stolen by the program. I want to fly cargo and I want to get in as quick as possible...this program sounds too good to be true!!!!
I am planning on visiting the facilities... :)
 
CAT is losing ALL of the UPS work on June 30th. This is in writing and is fact! They have enough work for 3 of their current 16 aircraft after June 30th. They say they will TRY to find more work. I don't know how this jet university will place people with CAT under these circumstances. They have about 30 PFT guys they still have to provide with their contracted flight time of something like 500 hours as FO. If they scale back to 6 planes which is likely, they might not even have enough work for their regular pilots let alone the PFT guys.
 
Or for about $6500 you could get your FE and get hired by someone who will upgrade you later. But you have to have what it takes to be a good FE if you expect to get and keep the job. The watch and sunglasses don't cut it.

If it sounds too good to be true...
 
If you think you will get a job just with your FE ticket, let me know, so far any cargo operator that uses FE's wants you to have your A&P as well
 
In 6 months, you will earn $30/flight hour which is more than twice the normal Regional Airline pay.
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I don't know of any regionals paying $15/hour. Anyone? Maybe some 1900/Metro operators?

But $30/hour for a 727 after paying 33K? Whoever dreams up these programs is a criminal genius, or maybe an MBA, but then I repeat myself.
 
It doesnt say that they were hired directly to Delta anywhere. And these guys actually get jobs when they are done with the program. If Gulfstream is so bad why do so many FO's here have family members who work for legacy airlines and who have recommended them the program? Seems to me that if I had a rich dad flying 767's and he told me to go to gulfstream i would probably take his advice. BTW Great Lakes pay $15/hr, and Gulfstream has the best contract for a B1900 operator in the industry.
 
pipejockey said:
CAT is losing ALL of the UPS work on June 30th. This is in writing and is fact! They have enough work for 3 of their current 16 aircraft after June 30th. They say they will TRY to find more work. I don't know how this jet university will place people with CAT under these circumstances. They have about 30 PFT guys they still have to provide with their contracted flight time of something like 500 hours as FO. If they scale back to 6 planes which is likely, they might not even have enough work for their regular pilots let alone the PFT guys.
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Maybe they'll furlough the regular guys and keep the PFTers!
 
Ace75 said:
If Gulfstream is so bad why do so many FO's here have family members who work for legacy airlines and who have recommended them the program?
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It comes from the guys that have never flown at the commuters(mainly because the commuters didn't exist then) and dont know what its all about. I have heard the same story from an instructor down at Aero-Services in MIA. Hi grandson did the whole Gulfstream thing and I tried to explain to him what was so wrong with that program and he just did not understand
 
Ace75 said:
It doesnt say that they were hired directly to Delta anywhere. And these guys actually get jobs when they are done with the program. If Gulfstream is so bad why do so many FO's here have family members who work for legacy airlines and who have recommended them the program? Seems to me that if I had a rich dad flying 767's and he told me to go to gulfstream i would probably take his advice. BTW Great Lakes pay $15/hr, and Gulfstream has the best contract for a B1900 operator in the industry.
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All your saying is that it's a good deal IF you have a rich dad flying for a legacy airline. Maybe the 'many' students at Gulfstream whose dads fly for a legacy airline have a job waiting for them if they just get the turbine time. Yeah, if that's the case and you're only gonna burn daddy's money then WHY NOT! I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING!:puke:
 
well its not just if you have a rich daddy, Fo's here get jobs at alot of regionals like peanuckle and and chautauqua etc etc. I know these might not be the kind of places that you would like to retire at but what about for older folks that would probably make crappy cfi's or really dont have 2 years to spend intstructing, dont you think it would make sense for them to attend this kind of program? most of the people i talk to that did the program just didnt want to become CFI's, i think that sucks and that being an instructor for a at least a little while would benefit you immensely, but if your not cut out for it what real alternative do you have? Banner towing? What else can these people do to build their time? When a well advertised school like gulfstream promises them(and usually gets them) a job flying in a 121 environment how do you think they will see anything wrong with that? I actually met a guy who turned down another airline(a 1900 operator that shall remain nameless) to pay $30k come to gulfstream and fly here where the pay is decent(for a 1900 operator) the weather is nice and the upgrade is quick. I understand some might say that people who do this program are taking a job from a pilot who cant afford to pay for something like this but i just dont think that argument holds up in todays world where jobs at a regional are a plenty and 700-900 hours of TT will usually do the trick to get you into the right seat somewhere. Cant we all just get along?
 
it's gonna be ok

pipejockey said:
CAT is losing ALL of the UPS work on June 30th. This is in writing and is fact! They have enough work for 3 of their current 16 aircraft after June 30th. They say they will TRY to find more work. I don't know how this jet university will place people with CAT under these circumstances. They have about 30 PFT guys they still have to provide with their contracted flight time of something like 500 hours as FO. If they scale back to 6 planes which is likely, they might not even have enough work for their regular pilots let alone the PFT guys.
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CAT's now going to be able to accept offers from FedEx, DHL, and other cargo companies to do contractual flying for them. All of their pilots are still going to fly a min of 50-60 hrs/month until contracts are implemented. They're also talking about getting B757's to do more international flying
 
Looks like PCL_128 will be heading over there once he gets furloughed from Pinnacle. Sounds like an awesome program! He went through Gulfstream with the 1900s so this would be an even sweeter deal!:rolleyes:
 
FatAlbert said:
Looks like PCL_128 will be heading over there once he gets furloughed from Pinnacle. Sounds like an awesome program! He went through Gulfstream with the 1900s so this would be an even sweeter deal!:rolleyes:
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Sweet! Do you think they will take furloughed pilots with heavy experience for half price?
 
Bringupthebird said:
Or for about $6500 you could get your FE and get hired by someone who will upgrade you later. But you have to have what it takes to be a good FE if you expect to get and keep the job. The watch and sunglasses don't cut it.

If it sounds too good to be true...
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... take advantage of it
 
Vref+Factor said:
CAT's now going to be able to accept offers from FedEx, DHL, and other cargo companies to do contractual flying for them. All of their pilots are still going to fly a min of 50-60 hrs/month until contracts are implemented. They're also talking about getting B757's to do more international flying
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Who the hell are you? Have you any sense? Take it from someone who knows the people behind the curtain. We got nothing, NOTHING after June 30th. Do you really believe this crap somone is feeding you? We can't even sell our existing airplanes to buy 757's. No one wants to hire a gas-guzzling jurrasic classic to fly their freight. You can't make money anymore with the 72, the fuel prices have killed it. Stick a fork in me, I'm done.
 
Ace75 said:
well its not just if you have a rich daddy, Fo's here get jobs at alot of regionals like peanuckle and and chautauqua etc etc. I know these might not be the kind of places that you would like to retire at but what about for older folks that would probably make crappy cfi's or really dont have 2 years to spend intstructing, dont you think it would make sense for them to attend this kind of program? most of the people i talk to that did the program just didnt want to become CFI's, i think that sucks and that being an instructor for a at least a little while would benefit you immensely, but if your not cut out for it what real alternative do you have? Banner towing? What else can these people do to build their time? When a well advertised school like gulfstream promises them(and usually gets them) a job flying in a 121 environment how do you think they will see anything wrong with that? I actually met a guy who turned down another airline(a 1900 operator that shall remain nameless) to pay $30k come to gulfstream and fly here where the pay is decent(for a 1900 operator) the weather is nice and the upgrade is quick. I understand some might say that people who do this program are taking a job from a pilot who cant afford to pay for something like this but i just dont think that argument holds up in todays world where jobs at a regional are a plenty and 700-900 hours of TT will usually do the trick to get you into the right seat somewhere. Cant we all just get along?
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Great Mea Culpa. I've have flown with several GIA pilots. Yet to be impressed by any of them. Following comments are from my experience in the cockpit. The older cats are the worst. It's not that they can't instruct for 2 years, it's their ego that gets in the way. They fly OK airplane, but think their crap don't stink. It's like a 22 yr old college kid without the knowledge base. I don't know if it's the program, or the people, but something sucks. I've flown with other PFT'ers, but nothing like the GIA attitude....

My 2 cents....
 
Great Mea Culpa. I've have flown with several GIA pilots. Yet to be impressed by any of them. Following comments are from my experience in the cockpit. The older cats are the worst. It's not that they can't instruct for 2 years, it's their ego that gets in the way. They fly OK airplane, but think their crap don't stink. It's like a 22 yr old college kid without the knowledge base. I don't know if it's the program, or the people, but something sucks. I've flown with other PFT'ers, but nothing like the GIA attitude....

My 2 cents....
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What is your experience? Where do you work? And, where did you do the flying with these people? What year was it?
 
The_Russian said:
What is your experience? Where do you work? And, where did you do the flying with these people? What year was it?
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Vee haff vays of makink you talk!
 
The_Russian said:
What is your experience? Where do you work? And, where did you do the flying with these people? What year was it?
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...sorry, I have no papers...but I still stand by the fact GIA, from my limited experience, turns out people with attitude issues. That does not prevent me from running a bag of snacks and drinks over to them in MYNN...
 
..sorry, I have no papers...but I still stand by the fact GIA, from my limited experience, turns out people with attitude issues. That does not prevent me from running a bag of snacks and drinks over to them in MYNN...
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The drinks and snacks make my tummy not grumbly anymore! Seriously if you do that....we thank you.

Back to the topic,

I think that saying GIA guys have a bad attitude is completely off base. If anything, most are extremely humble. Maybe you imagine this chin-up attitude in your head because you know where they come from and it would make sense for them to act like that. I have only met a few people in the four years I have been with GIA that thought their poop didn't stink. Most of the people that actually give me heat are RJ FO's and Southwest pilots. But of course, I am also making a generality. 99% of RJ pilots and Southwest guys are nice and their poop stinks too.
 
I have sat in the cockpit with them for hours, before I knew where they were from....
Whether you believe this or not, I don't care where someone is from if they can do their job. I'm from a stigmaed group, as well, so I know about stereotypes, but if I fly with someone from GIA that impresses me, I'll let you know. I also know not all of them are tool boxes, but the ones that have clustered at my company are.

I am neither an RJ FO nor SWA pilot. I will keep an open mind, but I'm eagerly waiting to be impressed.
 
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