What could NJA order super-mid

[t-bone]

The CL-300 is a very nice airplane inside and out. But I have to believe this might be causing a bit of hesitation in Columbus:

http://www.ainonline.com/?q=aviation-news/ainmxreports/2011-10-12/nprm-cl300-trim-actuator

The phrase "loss of the airplane" tends to get my attention.

Per our DOM, maintenance on the actuators was beefed up a year ago, so this isn't an issue for those that keep up with their mx procedures. For the operators out there that aren't...an AD could be beneficial.

 

[G100driver]

The 2000 and globals are not even in the same category.

 

[BentOver]

I agree, although under the Netjets aircraft website the 2000 is considered large cabin. I was assuming something like the -300 would be alongside the X, G-200's in the midsize category? I also assume something like the 2000S would go into the large cabin category.

 

[Heavy Set]

Go for the CL300 baby!!! I love my airplane - versatile, comfortable and easy ProLine 21 up front. Come on and join the CL300 club with Flexjet and XOJet.

That said, the new technology of the Legacy 500 is intriguing. Remember that Netjets Europe did take a chance on the Falcon 7X and its new FBW technology. So, the precedent has been set (if the price is right).

 

[gunfyter]

They could take both the 2000S and the 300 or Embraer. I'd be happy.

I am guessing they don't care what pilots like though, but what they can sell best.

 

[BentOver]

They could take both the 2000S and the 300 or Embraer. I'd be happy.

I am guessing they don't care what pilots like though, but what they can sell best.

If it had steam gauges but would sell they'd get it....They could absolutely care less what's up front unless it can save them on training costs somehow.

Which IMO is not necessarily a bad thing. If it'll get me back quicker I'd fly a 152.

 

[208starcheck]

X and Sovereign are mid size
G250 is the only super-mid NJA has
2000 is considered large cabin

The 2000 is so interesting because it's a large cabin for a mid cabin price.

NJA still has to announce a mid and super-mid.

 

[BentOver]

X and Sovereign are mid size
G250 is the only super-mid NJA has
2000 is considered large cabin

The 2000 is so interesting because it's a large cabin for a mid cabin price.

NJA still has to announce a mid and super-mid.

Next question is to determine what in those fleets are due for replacements? I think the X's are the oldest and could see a TEN replacement order...

Sovereigns are still fairly new.

G200's are also still fairly new.

2000's are newer and older.

Would the -300 be a good 2000 replacement?

I still think it will be a TEN and -300 order... Someday in the future:laugh:

 

[7on7Off]

Just wondering, whose buying shares in these airplanes? What's the incentive for an "antiquated" X owner to fork over the capital to buy a new "TEN"?

 

[jonjuan]

Just wondering, whose buying shares in these airplanes? What's the incentive for an "antiquated" X owner to fork over the capital to buy a new "TEN"?

Lol-nothing. New shares simply aren't selling. Heard flops is selling many of their p300 deliveries to entities elsewhere.

 

[gutshotdraw]

The only thing I DO know, is that the G-280 will NOT be the new NJA super mid-size. Gulfstream was asked for a proposal. They DECLINED to participate.

I looked at or walked through all the contenders last week at NBAA. My rating:

Falcon 2000S
CL-300
Legacy 500 (It was only a mock-up)

 

[ozpilot]

Just wondering, whose buying shares in these airplanes? What's the incentive for an "antiquated" X owner to fork over the capital to buy a new "TEN"?

That's a very good question. A couple of years ago I took an owner out to dinner while we were waiting for a recovery flight. He asked me the same thing. I didn't have an answer.


Maybe market the TEN as a new fleet?

 

[jtf]

Probably the biggest reason they will buy into new airframes is that the company will stop selling older jets when they get rid of them- so if you want to keep flying in the X, eventually you will most likely have to buy into a Ten, or go to a competitor. The fleets are all getting older and they are all going to be sold eventually.

 

[KiddDynomite]

The only reason they need new airframes is because the depreciation on the existing ones is running out. The biggest reason any of the fractionals sold airplanes was that under King George II there was a fifty percent depreciation in the first year, so they essentially bought their share in a new airplane for fifty cents on the dollar. Those benefits are no longer available under the muslim. Standard depreciation is back but new airframes are needed to get any tax break.

 

[BoilerUP]

Currently aircraft owners can get 100% first-year depreciation if an airframe is bought AND enters service in 2011.