What a military E-2 makes...

[JumpJetter]

Don't you think 1st year regional airline pilots should make more than a military E-2??? This is what he makes....
Read in three columns i.e. Description Monthly Annual
(Rank E-2, 1st year, lives off base, not married, no dependants) Of course he probably wouldn't be allowed to live off base unless he was married, but then he would make more money.

Your Direct Pay Monthly Annual
Basic Pay $1,290.00 $15,480.00
Basic Allowance for Subsistence $242.81 $2,913.72
Basic Allowance for Housing $547.00 $6,564.00
Other Allowances
• Clothing Allowance $24.30 $291.60
Your Direct Pay Total: $2,104.11 $25,249.32

Your Tax Advantage
Monthly Annual
Non-taxable Pay (Exempt from Income & Social Security Taxes) $814.11 $9,769.32
Your Tax Advantage (Based on tax bracket of: 15%) Total: $122.12 $1,465.40

Your Direct Pay Value
Monthly Annual
Your Direct Pay Value Total: $2,226.23 $26,714.72


Your Compensation Value
Monthly Annual
Medical Care Value $73.96 $887.52
Vision Care Value $6.60 $79.20
Dental Care Value $12.04 $144.48
Your Compensation Value Total: $92.60 $1,111.20
Other Compensation Value
Commissary Value $50.31 $603.72
Your Other Compensation Value Total: $50.31 $603.72

Total Direct Pay and Compensation Value
Monthly Annual
Your Total Direct Pay and Compensation Value Total: $3,107.99 $37,295.84

 

[chperplt]

Since he isn't married, take away the Basic Allowance for Subsistence, and the Basic Allowance for Housing. These allowances are not authorized for a single E2.

The clothing allowance is paid once a year, during your anniverary month.

Now add up the pay and see where you are.

 

[JumpJetter]

chper

Read it again...

(Rank E-2, 1st year, lives off base, not married, no dependants) Of course he probably wouldn't be allowed to live off base unless he was married, but then he would make more money.

Even so, let's just give him basic pay...1290 per month. That's still about the same as 1st year regional pilot. OBTW, if he does live on base he doesn't pay for food or housing. Of course the regional pilot could live with his parents and simulate the whole situation I guess.....

 

[abatista]

Boy I did not know that is how your wages are like. When I was an E-2 back over 20 years ago we only took home about 384.00 per month to start. So it's gone up that much.

Even when I got out in 1988 I was an E6 I only got $ 1850.00 Take home pay. And I was married living off base. So I would have to say Wow. I did not know they make this much. Are you sure!

What would I be making as an E6 or E7 now?

I feel there is a problem with this due to I know my a few who are still in as E7 and E8's and they do not make as much as the E2 you stated.

 

[Andy Neill]

An E-6 over 10 would be 2477 base, 646 Housing, and 263 subsistence.

An E-7 over 10 would be 2753 /699/and 263.

For the complete table:

http://www.dfas.mil/money/milpay/pay/01-2003.pdf

 

[MetroSheriff]

Those enlisted rates don't seem too bad. If memory serves, my first year (1986) I was excited by the raise from $610.00 (E1) to $740.00 (E2).


Sheesh. On the current $1300.00 I'd have been livin' in high cotton.

Of course the VA paid for most of my flight training and the GI bill picked up 2years of college. So I can't really complain.

 

[Chunk]

Interesting comparison...

Yeah....man, the recruiting offices must be jammed pack full of guys trying to get a piece of that E-2 bling bling! Doesn't seem like a lot when you get blown off a flight deck or work 12 on/12 off trying not to get killed and are given $50/month extra for the trouble. I have a lotta respect for guys working the deck. Hell, in my squadron, the $$ for flight deck pay started from the top down. The MMCPO got it for showing up to one FOD walkdown. By the time it hit the plane captains, the funds were up. We had Mx Control f**ks collecting flight deck pay while the poor bastard in the line division were getting the shaft. It was fixed eventually...

When I was an E-4, my wife and I worked HARD to get debt free. We accomplished that just in time to get suprise orders to Japan. HELLLOOOO debt! Not from luxury spending, but just getting there!

A recent study shows that military members are only reimbursed , on average, 30% (from memory so forgive me if I'm a little off) of out of pocket expenses of PCS moves.

The point? The military pays crap. Everyone knows it. Most don't even complain. That's part of military life and everyone volunteered. But PULLLEAZE, spare us the 'E-2's make too much'. Regional FO's pay increases after the probation year. E-2's MAY get a 3-4% raise. Barely enough to keep with inflation. An ASA FO (according to AIR Inc. figures) get a $500/month raise after the first year. Not a lot of money, but certainly more than the E-2 can expect. Additionally, the numbers you use are not realistic. Single E-2's do not live off base. So take away the BAH and BAS. Not much left....

Your comparison smacks of officer elitism.

My apologies for the rant....

Chunk

 

[Cardinal]

But PULLLEAZE, spare us the 'E-2's make too much'.

I think JumpJet was making the opposite comparison. The wage levels we are discussing here are a pittance, no matter what the occupation. It's novel that most 18yr olds with two legs willing to risk it can make this sum by enlisting, but after years of education, apprenticeship, through which he bears no small amount of risk, the regional FO makes approximately the same.

Anyway, my paycheck looks alot more like the "Basic Pay" line, before any allowances.

 

[JumpJetter]

Cardinal

That was exactly my point. After all that it takes to get hired at a regional airline and all the responsibilities that go with this profession, you'd think the pay would be a little better.

Chunk

I can understand how you might get the opposite impression from my post. Cardinal said it best:

"It's novel that most 18yr olds with two legs willing to risk it can make this sum by enlisting, but after years of education, apprenticeship, through which he bears no small amount of risk, the regional FO makes approximately the same."

But thanks for calling me a "smack" and an "elitist"

JJ

 

[Chunk]

But thanks for calling me a "smack" and an "elitist"

JJ

I didn't call you a smack...in this case, smack was a verb. As in 'this posts smells of....' smell is the verb and I didn't say you smelled.

Seriously though, no big deal. Your comparison just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm sure that you're not an "elitist".

Take it easy....

Chunk

 

[Draginass]

And if Mullins, Carty, Anderson, et al have their way, you'll have a "major" airline job waiting for you in 10 years . . . . oh, but you'll be making $50,000 as an FO flying 90 hours out of such low cost cities as NY, San Fran, LA, etc.

Congratulations on your choice of professions. Well done.

 

[flyerc90]

Leaving the USAF as a SSgt select crew chief 2 years ago was my biggest financial mistake to date! And, as an E2 in the USAF, you dont need to be married to get BAS and BAQ....they offer that after about a year and a half to get your a$$ out of the dorms to make room for new airmen. Ohhhh I used to live soooo well!

 

[Hovernut]

living in leaner times

Thow in Submarine Duty Pay, Sea Duty Pay, Special Duty (nuclear) Pay, and re-enlisment bonuses, and now I realize how I was able to buy that '87 GoldWing and brand new 4WD F-150 back in '90....still my primary wheels! Just waiting for that grandiose 2nd year F/O pay raise.

 

[seagle]

I think you are comparing apples and oranges. What is the analogy between a civilian regional pilot and a military soldier? I really don't see the comparison. We all know that regional pilots are grossly underpaid(I am speaking from experience), but how does the comparison to an E-2 fit in? I have friends who never finished high school making six figures, should we compare them to "major" airline pilots as well? If the point you are trying to make is that the regional pay scales are atrocious then you are 100% correct. They do! A far better question would be why are regional pilots so grossly underpaid.