Well I'm Never Flying A Piper...

[rumpletumbler]

152's are awesome. I'm 6' and weigh 250lbs and love flying the 152. The most fun is to get someone about my size in the other seat and fill the tanks and then as the entire firewall vibrates the instruments into unreadibility we say things like "she wants to fly" as we are coming up to the end of a 4000 ft rwy. Climbing out at 100 fpm. Ohhhhhhhhh Yesssssssss! It's glorious....and it spins nice as well.

 

[dseagrav]

152's are awesome. I'm 6' and weigh 250lbs and love flying the 152. The most fun is to get someone about my size in the other seat and fill the tanks and then as the entire firewall vibrates the instruments into unreadibility we say things like "she wants to fly" as we are coming up to the end of a 4000 ft rwy. Climbing out at 100 fpm. Ohhhhhhhhh Yesssssssss! It's glorious....and it spins nice as well.

Well, I haven't spun it yet, but I think the 152 is a blast.
Maybe paying your own way through makes things more fun.
I can get 700 fpm out of it, but not for real long. 600-500 fpm is more realistic. But then, I'm a lot lighter than you.

 

[Snakum]

You have a major ego issue.

I dunno DenverDude ... If I was a Captain on a DC-6, which ASquared is, I think I'd have a bit of an ego, even though he doesn't. I'd also probably make fun of those girly-men flying 757s, too.



Minh

 

[BoilerUP]

Dang yo, tough crowd in here.

As a CFI with a little more than a few hours in both C152/172 and PA28 aircraft, I must say I like the Cessna better for training but the Warrior better for cross-country and commercial maneuvers. I agree that a low-wing is more of a "real" airplane, but only because most people that don't know better think that.

The 150/152 is WAAAAAAY more fun to fly than any Cherokee, but I'll take a Cherokee over a Cessna any day when it comes to trips. Its a few knots slower and hotter in the summer, but I like the comfort more. The low wing is much more stable and resistant to turbulance, IMO.

Train in whatever is cheapest, then get checked out in bigger airplanes after you get your PPL. The ONLY reason to train in something bigger is if your height and/or weight becomes an issue when flying a 152. I'm only 6ft/160 and if I have full tanks, I can only take a passenger less than 180lbs (and still be legal). If you are flying with your parents money, and they have deep pockets, then by all means go bigger...The Cessna vs. Piper debate continues!

BoilerUP <===== flew a C150 GFK-AXN-RST-JVL-Lake Geneva Airpark, WI-06C-LAF in 8.6 hours at 1000agl and loved every second of it

 

[BankAccount=0$]

A. I prefer to be on top of the wing spar not dangling from it.

Just a quick question for the truly accomplished aviator with his student pilot ticket.

1) Didn't Charles Lindberg "dangle" from his wing spar all the way across the ocean back in the day???

2) When I'm flying the Pitts exactly what wing am I dangling from?? and furthermore does the wing from which I "dangle" change when I roll to the inverted???

funny thread guys

 

[hydroflyer]

For the original poster:

If you really want to try a warrior, then wait until at least after solo, and pay the difference in cost yourself - your mom should go for that idea. They are 2 different airplanes and some people just prefer one over the other (hence all the posts). Personally, I choose depending on what my purpose of the flight is; long flights, take the legroom and speed of the warrior. Fun flights, definately the 152. The Piper aircraft are generally heavier on the controls and require more force to flare in the landing, which could be a real frustration for a transition. The 152 is very light on the controls and I think teaches you to be more aware of your coordination during stalls with the wing drop tendency. If you want more details on comparisons, let me know, I have about 450 and 600 hours in the 152/Warrior respectively. It is your (and your mom's) decision what to do, but if you really decide on the warrior, you really should be at least paying the difference in cost.

 

[FN FAL]

I hate the electric trim, I always disable it and use manual.....

I felt almost the same way at one time...now all my landings incorporate electric trim.

By the way, how do you disable electric trim without an MEL?

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

I felt almost the same way at one time...now all my landings incorporate electric trim.

By the way, how do you disable electric trim without an MEL?

Can't you pull a ciruit breaker and it cuts power to the trim motor? I don't have a POH in front of me (it's pretty well buried).

Reminds me of another complaint I have, I hate the flap/trim placement on the pipers. I told a CFI once that he can go shove his touch and goes where the sun doesn't shine b/c I can't control the aircraft and retract the flaps at the same time. Cessna's have a simple lever that you just slap up and off you go.

 

[VNugget]

As the Terminator himself said, "Chill out." This guy caught enough heat at studentpilot.com, and if he's posting the same issue here he's either a snot-nosed little brat that can only be cured by a swift kick in the ass (you can only dole those out in real life, no use getting worked up over the net), or a troll (joke's on us.)

 

[pilotman2105]

Can't you pull a ciruit breaker and it cuts power to the trim motor? I don't have a POH in front of me (it's pretty well buried).

Circuit breaker is always an option. Some aircraft have an electrical switch for the trim, similar to light switches (I know for a fact that Dutchess have them. The few Pipers that I've flown do not have this switch.

 

[DenverDude2002]

There should be an electric trim on/off button, white, under the left side yoke. Its a push button type.

Electric trim is cool and is nice for xc stuff, but when your flying pattern work its way to slow to be useful.

 

[troy]

MEL (Ha)

Shut up and fly whatever gets you into the air. That is what it is all about. When you flip the bill for whatever A/C you want to fly, then gripe. Until then, take whatever break you can get, because in the real world, breaks like that don't come around very often. (unless the silver spoon gets stuck)

 

[ShawnC]

152's are awesome. I'm 6' and weigh 250lbs and love flying the 152. The most fun is to get someone about my size in the other seat and fill the tanks and then as the entire firewall vibrates the instruments into unreadibility we say things like "she wants to fly" as we are coming up to the end of a 4000 ft rwy. Climbing out at 100 fpm. Ohhhhhhhhh Yesssssssss! It's glorious....and it spins nice as well.

That's probably the funniest thing I have read in a long time. That takes me back to when I did stalls for my PPL, I turned to my flight instructor, "Gee it's taking a long time to reach 5,000', did you just pick that altitude to get the most money out of me."

A Squared,

You have a girlfriend that flies, and owns an airplane? Does she have a sister?

 

[A Squared]

>>>You have a girlfriend that flies, and owns an airplane? Does she have a sister?

Yeah, the sister doesn't fly or own an airplane though.

 

[Jmmccutc]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mom won't let me. I'm 15 and have about 11.4hrs in a 152 and she says it'd be a waste of money to take a lesson in a Warrior since I QUOTE "Haven't mastered the one you're training in"

Well there goes my warrior lesson out the f'n window....[/font]

first i gotta say i'm a bit pissed that i didn't catch this earlier, this isn't just flame bait this is the whole god dam kitchen gone up in a grease fire...

second, $$$, that's what makes the world turn...just be happy that your mother is paying for your training...i mean hell you're only 15 so it's not like you can have a job making bread to pay for your own flight time so pucker up and give that woman a kiss, son...you know what my parents did for me (and i am thankful for this) the helped me get my loans, i'd hate to be 15 and have to worry about the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** you do, bullies in school, cheerleaders and some car that sounds like it's got a gumband under the hood...maybe your mom should be paying for flight lessons, you ego is so inflated you're likely to float off...

third, go talk to Flightinfo's favorite son, TopGun-Mav, he'll be glad to give you some pointers on what your mother can do with that cash once you're MASTERED that 152 of yours...

 

[jackotron]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mom won't let me. I'm 15 and have about 11.4hrs in a 152 and she says it'd be a waste of money to take a lesson in a Warrior since I QUOTE "Haven't mastered the one you're training in"

Well there goes my warrior lesson out the f'n window....[/font]

What a baby. Grow up.

 

[sky37d]

A squared,

You have a major ego issue. Im posting my opinion, so its not like it counts for sh!t anyways. Quit turning this into a major flame war, Im not in the mood........

*** FLAME ON!!!*** Can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. You obviously have a very high opinion of the airplane some punk kid who's mom is paying for flying should fly.

 

[starvingcfi]

here's your answer. neither of them are cool. fly the cheaper of the two. stop thinking a warrior will get you more snatch than a 152. it won't.

 

[sky37d]

Oh, speaking of cool, I did my initial training in a Maule. Slam on power, hold it on the ground for a bit, and up you go. Use a whole 300-400 feet of runway. Now, THAT'S COOL. So, switch from that 152, ditch the warrior, get into a Maule. A REAL AIRPLANE, C/S prop, learn to fly that, and then you can fly anything. Like the man said, if you can fly a cub, you can fly the concorde, but the reverse isn't necessarily true.

 

[Goose Egg]

Props to the mom on this one. Let's just hope she stands her ground.

Personally, as a former 15 year old student pilot, I was thrilled to be able to spend time with the Cessna 152 (or anything that flew, for that matter), and I have some very fond memories in those airplanes.

I think the originator of this thread should take a hard look at his motivations for learning to fly. It sounds like he's in it for the wrong reasons. Which is not to say that there is no hope for him, but I just think that he should take an inventory of his purposes. Because Heaven knows that in order to succeed he's going to have to put up with a lot more than just having to fly a different airplane then the one he wants.

Just my thoughts...

 

[Flyin Tony]

I hate the PA28-151 almost got me killed one day!!!! Stay with the 150

 

[Flyin Tony]

Well it was the other guy that almost killed us all! I was safety pilot that day and he took off from Hesperia, I was in the right seat, took over 3/4 of the way to get off the ground and he stalled it on takeoff, Thank god there a valley at the end of the runway. If not I dont think I would be here. It was a hot day DA was about 4,000-5,000 3 people and bags with full fuel.

 

[chawbein]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mom won't let me. I'm 15 and have about 11.4hrs in a 152 and she says it'd be a waste of money to take a lesson in a Warrior since I QUOTE "Haven't mastered the one you're training in"

Well there goes my warrior lesson out the f'n window....[/font]

Hey, I have an idea.... If you want to fly a warrior, why don't you go get a f*cking job and pay the f*cking difference on the plane. Even better idea.... Go get a f*cking job and pay for the f*cking lessons in the 152 yourself.

P.S. 152's are a great time. I've done the same thing as rumpletumbler a number of times. It's tons of fun! Actually, it wasn't a 152, it was a 150, so it was even better. The airspeed indicator bouncing on 60, the stall horn making a slight hum.... Fun times.

 

[310]

the 152 is less stable for a reason... it was built that way on purpose, with no wing dihedral so the pilot has to "work" to fly it well. This is not a vidoe game like all you youngins play all the time.. it is real world. So train in the harder to fly plane, get great at it and you will be a better pilot. Then go fly the really stable aircraft and enjoy it after mastering the less stable designs. The 172 has wing dihedral to make it more stable so this is not a piper/ cessna thing.

If you take the time to get really precise with a 152 then everything else will be much easier.

 

[ThomasR]

15 year old and growing

I understand the troubled teen years and I also understand your desire to mingle with people who seem to be professional pilots, but you need to consult someone face to face [not on the Internet] that hold a position in life that you want to move into. That is, if you are serious about being an airline pilot then you MUST converse with and observe how such people interact in public.

If it is flyable you should be able to fly it safely. If you have a problem you need to be specific and avoid personal feelings. Specific means data; load capacity, climb rates, vibrations through maneuvers, visibility, responsiveness etc. If you continue to express nebulous feelings it might come back to you that a person with the ability to advance your career might say "I don't like you."

 

[nosehair]

Sh-e-e-e-sh-h!! He's 15, people! Can you get a grip on it? Didn't any of you ever say stuff like..."I'm never gonna get to ride a horse!"...or.."I'm never gonna get a date!"...or..."My hair is never gonna look right!"...remember? Remember those sweet innocent days when your entire life was ruined because....

 

[rumpletumbler]

Armchair warriors often fail
And we've been poisoned by these fairy tales
The lawyers clean up all details
Since daddy had to lie
But I know a place where we can go
And wash away this sin
We'll sit and watch the clouds roll by
And the tall grass wave in the wind

Don Henley

 

[Snakum]

Remember those sweet innocent days when your entire life was ruined because....

... someone wanted to pay me $10 per hour in 2004 to take responsibility for the life of an aspiring pilot?

Minh

 

[Jmmccutc]

Sh-e-e-e-sh-h!! He's 15, people! Can you get a grip on it?

we sure can but why should we?

i wanna see what peopel who are snotty answer like

Well i guess you found out...

Well, these people aren't really snotty, but quite cranky at times...you are gonna get the same response.

i'm not cranky just trying to quit smoking...and like i told my boss just before i quit a job a few months back, "i don't tolerate stupid people well..." kid, get you head out of your ass and thank your mom...you're lucky, just ask anyone...and like it was stated earlier, just fly the 152, you'll be thankfull you did someday...

 

[sky37d]

Alice's Restaurant

Reminds me of a line from the song.

"Kid,we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of
garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And
I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope
under that garbage."

That's what we got here, kid, a half a ton of garbage with your name on it