Weapons

[flyu27]

Does anyone carry or have info on carrying weapons on a Part 135 flight as a cockpit crewmember? We have a couple of pilots inquiring about this, and I've been given several different stories by the TSA -- they aren't eligible for the FFDO program because we don't have aircraft over 100,000 or 61 seats. They referred us back to 135.119, which doesn't have a clear interpretation. Any help is appreciated.

 

[pilothouston123]

(b) Crewmembers and other persons authorized by the certificate holder to carry arms.

Dear Chief pilot: I request authorization to carry my glock 19 when I go fly.

Dear pilot: Authorization granted!

 

[avbug]

The FFDO program is not applicable to charter operations in small airplanes.

You don't need a TSA interpretation of that. You're not eligible. You can get authorization from your company to carry a firearm, if the company will allow it.

However, you are also beholden to all the laws and regulations of every municipality, county, state, and airport thorugh which you pass when you fly, and permission from your Director of Operations won't relieve you from meeting the requirements of those laws and regulations.

 

[stupidpilot]

Then leave the weapons on the aircraft.

 

[Chairman]

they aren't eligible for the FFDO program because we don't have aircraft over 100,000 or 61 seats.

Weight of the aircarft has nothing to do with the program you need to have reenforced cockpit doors.

 

[avbug]

Then leave the weapons on the aircraft.

It's clear why you elect to post under the name "stupidpilot."

 

[stupidpilot]

It's clear why you elect to post under the name "stupidpilot."

I love how you are a complete d$ck to everyone you don't agree with. The aircraft is private property. Noone has the authority to enter it without your consent dumba$$

 

[Flying Biker]

The biggest concern that I have about carrying is the fact that we fly into Canada and Mexico. If for what ever reason they decide to check you and your aircraft and find it then you can really be in a deep pile of ****. And since we have no idea where we are going from one day to the next, its not like we can have a lock box at the FBO.

 

[cap3691]

not a good idea to have a weapons in your aircraft. Just fly and have a good time

 

[landlover]

why do you want to carry this gun? for protection? just to take it to the range while on overnights? both? just curious.

 

[stupidpilot]

I was thinking the same thing. Your pax are generally pretty well to do. I wouldn't be worried about them trying to take over your aircraft. Unless you're going into Detroit city I don't thing a weapon is necessary. Carrying it internationally is a big no no as well. I would just tell them no.

 

[landlover]

I love how you are a complete d$ck to everyone you don't agree with. The aircraft is private property. Noone has the authority to enter it without your consent dumba$$

this is true, but doesn't mean it is legal to have an illegal handgun in the cockpit. what is legal in one state isn't legal in another.

 

[Flying Biker]

why do you want to carry this gun? for protection? just to take it to the range while on overnights? both? just curious.

Personally I would not be concerned about the pax. Its more like the locations that we are going to and be staying. Some of the hotels I have been in, even though they are nice, have sometimes been in some pretty horrible locations. The Marriott downtown Orlando is just one that our company tends to put us in that is on the outskirts of the murder capital of Florida (as one local LEO told me).

 

[Flying Biker]

this is true, but doesn't mean it is legal to have an illegal handgun in the cockpit. what is legal in one state isn't legal in another.

Unless you are a qualified law enforcement officer, then you can fall back on the Law Enforcement Act of 2004 which allows you to carry anywhere in the US with just a few exceptions.

 

[Hamburger]

I love how you are a complete d$ck to everyone you don't agree with. The aircraft is private property. Noone has the authority to enter it without your consent dumba$$

Maybe he was referring to the fact that if you just leave them on the aircraft, it would be pretty pointless to bring them in the first place.