We have to stop S.J.S

[Tomct]

:bawling: Too BAD!! Here we are all members of the same union and yet....we continue to fight! We should be backing up one another to keep this profession on the up and up. Instead, mgmnt is proving that we as pilots are nothing but a bunch of selfish whores! We should Stick TOGETHER....NOT FIGHT AGAINST EACH OTHER!

 

[newnan]

SJS started long before there were SJ's. It started when you were getting paid to fly in the right seat of a Baron, 310, 421, aerostar, etc. and someone came along and said "Hey I need multi time, can I ride in your right seat and you don't have to pay me anything". That turned into "Hey, I need multi time, can I pay you to ride in your right seat to build time?". That turned into commuters (oh oh, the bad word) realizing that people would actually pay for their own training to fly a turboprop. Then you spend time in the Philly trailers listening to the Mesa guys with stars in their eyes because they get to fly a jet. Big F'n whoop dee doo, at that time it didn't matter whether the fan was inside the cowling or outside but "Hey, I'm flying a jet" doesn't matter what I'm getting paid. Remember watching the new jet pilots land, you swear the nose wheel was going to hit first, and sometimes it did! If I'm lyin, I'm dyin, that's the history of SJS and until the puppy factories stop pumping out "I'll fly for less" things won't change.

 

[ground stop]

if you want the fly for less to go away, change the 121 pax mins to 1500hrs, same as atp. more work will go into getting to that experience level, leading to a greater value placed on those newbie pilots by themselves. "i slaved away at some crap job to get here, now i want to be paid accordingly", not "i paid to get my type in the rj and i got hired with 400hrs, it was easy."

 

[learflyer]

It's, funny. Hate to say it, but " back in my day" (i'm only 34) it wasn't shiny jet syndrome, it was "shiny c-310 syndrome, or "shiny retractable gear SE syndrome", or "shiny I am blessed to instruct in twins syndrome". It took me about 4 years of instructing before I was allowed to instruct in a twin. Remember insurance requirements back in the day didn't allow for most of us to instruct in a twin? You had to have like 50 hours in a twin which lead to a catch 22 situation. So How in the he11 can I get the multi-time?

I know the pay sucks, in the regionals, but it always had and it always will. Atleast you kids these days are able to skip a bunch of steps before you get into your shiny jet. Oh, yeah, you also have the internet. This website has ALOT to do with some of the attitudes that exist today. Back then, there were no websites to ask for advice, spread negativity, etc. I think that if the internet didn't exist, the attitude that "commuters suck" wouldn't be around. It would just be thought of as a place to move on to the next step.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Another way to stop SJS is for UPS, NWA, UAL pilots to quit approving contracts with $30/hr first year pay....

 

[SennaP1]

"SJS" is a lame excuse. That SJS brochure is lame.

 

[bailey3083]

"SJS" is a lame excuse. That SJS brochure is lame.

Its a simple joke to lighten the day! What am I now John Kerry? Geez LOL

 

[ultrarunner]

Then you need to change the direction of 'supply and demand'. Simple as that. When you figger that out , let us know.

 

[elag777]

SJS started long before there were SJ's. It started when you were getting paid to fly in the right seat of a Baron, 310, 421, aerostar, etc. and someone came along and said "Hey I need multi time, can I ride in your right seat and you don't have to pay me anything". That turned into "Hey, I need multi time, can I pay you to ride in your right seat to build time?". That turned into commuters (oh oh, the bad word) realizing that people would actually pay for their own training to fly a turboprop. Then you spend time in the Philly trailers listening to the Mesa guys with stars in their eyes because they get to fly a jet. Big F'n whoop dee doo, at that time it didn't matter whether the fan was inside the cowling or outside but "Hey, I'm flying a jet" doesn't matter what I'm getting paid. Remember watching the new jet pilots land, you swear the nose wheel was going to hit first, and sometimes it did! If I'm lyin, I'm dyin, that's the history of SJS and until the puppy factories stop pumping out "I'll fly for less" things won't change.

Like you were never a "I'll fly for less" guy!

 

[doh]

yea, and I had to walk to work in the snow (uphill) to fly a Bandit for 12 bucks an hour.

It was uphill BOTH ways for me! And where did you find this $12/hr paradise, we got a buck ninety eight... and we liked it!