We have to stop S.J.S

[bailey3083]

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/optio...%20syndrome%22

 

[Ex737Driver]

Classic. If it could only be made into a movie. Wonder who they would get to play Jimmy.................

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

SJS is symptom.... If you want to cure the disease then go to Capital Hill in DC. In addition, globalization and liberalization of the international market place will have more effect on our careers than young pilots wanting to get thier airline career started... which by the way was all of us at one point...

 

[Ex737Driver]

which by the way was all of us at one point...

Funny, I don't remember any A320's or EMB190's pilot positions open when trying to get my first job, just turboprops.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Funny, I don't remember any A320's or EMB190's pilot positions open when trying to get my first job, just turboprops.

If there were, would you have rejected the jet jobs and flown a turbo-prop? What did the low time private pilots of the late 1960's do when UAL called?

Nonetheless, the point is not trying to get individuals to pass up opportunities, but to make the career what it needs to be....

 

[~~~^~~~]

S.J.S. How about B.J.S.?

Basically, if it is beneath me, I don't care - send it out to the lowest bidder.

Scope has been negotiated by mainline pilots, not regional guys. In fact, the regionals have been excluded from scope negotiations and have no scope. The mainline pilots' representatives designed the race for the bottom and ALPA Economic and Financial Analysis has provided spreadsheets with "bargaining credits" for the outsourcing.

You have to stop B.J.S. first. S.J.S. is just an effect.

 

[pkober]

We would have taken any flying job to build time. Stop being soooo honorable. If this industry suck move on to something else.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Yeah - but I like flying.

 

[jhill]

Funny, I don't remember any A320's or EMB190's pilot positions open when trying to get my first job, just turboprops.

yea, and I had to walk to work in the snow (uphill) to fly a Bandit for 12 bucks an hour.

 

[XJohXJ]

yea, and I had to walk to work in the snow (uphill) to fly a Bandit for 12 bucks an hour.

Fortunately, everything cost a nickle back then, and you could get a nice house for $10,000.

 

[AA717driver]

E-110 FO. $800/mo. pre-tax. Ahhhh...the good old days. But, your money went a LONG way in DBQ. TC

 

[FDJ2]

S.J.S. How about B.J.S.?

Fins, do you think that mainline pilots have the right to make scope more restrictive, keep it the same, or have no right to scope the airlines code?

Didn't you quit flightinfo a couple of months ago?

 

[Ratherbsurfing]

Hey Ex737Driver, hate the game not the player. I suspect if those positions were available to you at the time you would have taken them.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Hey, if your going to use it, it's playa. The point was that there would NOT have been the option to apply for a job at a company with that equipment. The environment, the growth prospects, the hub and spoke mentality, the scope, and the absence of "regional" equipment prohibited the ability of a new airline to do what several are doing today. And no, I don't believe I would have. 15 years ago, why would you go with an upstart that paid crap and had no track record, rather than go with the majors commuter feed that ultimately led to a job with a major?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Fins, do you think that mainline pilots have the right to make scope more restrictive, keep it the same, or have no right to scope the airlines code?

Of course mainline guys have the right to decide their scope. But, those ALPA members who earn a living performing that flying should have the ability to participate and scope their flying too.

The way things went on our property was as follows:

1. Delta pilots traded scope away
2. ASA and Comair pilots tried to enter negotiations with the Delta pilots & Delta to work on "brand scope"
3. The Delta pilots used ALPA to shut the ASA and Comair pilots out of the process
4. The flying was RFP'd to the lowest bidder while the Delta pilots took "negotiating credits" for flying which was once performed by ALPA members at ASA and Comair.

Shiny jet syndrome does exist, but it is not the reason for the decline in this profession. The reason our profession is in decline is because once the mainline guys decided they did not want to fly RJ's, ALPA decided that RJ flying was not worth protecting. Without scope, flying goes to the lowest bidder. Unfortunately part of ALPA thinks this is a good thing.