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ghostrider64

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The word is many of our guys have been successfully negotiating the majors hiring process recently. Many are due to leave netjets very soon. For those of us who will be riding netjets until the end, thank you! You are getting a great bunch of guys, and it's fantastic to see them move on.

As many know, we are going through extremely difficult and contentious negotiations. You're allowing many to escape the fray, is a blessing in two ways. The guys leaving are living their respective dreams, and it's helping those remaining, to add pressure to the entire system.

I'm sure I'm not alone in saying these guys you're "stealing" are a fantastic fun bunch of professional pilots. You'll have guys that make landing at KJAX and KASE in the winter, resemble KSAN in summer. They'll be able to show you a few new haunts during your overnights. Simply put, they'll make your jobs easier.

Thanks for seeing what they bring to the table doesn't revolve around max gross weight, it's their incredible experience.
 
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I was gunning hard for a job @ NJ before the economy took a dump. Great group of guys/gals. Glad to have them over here!
 
There's nothing more difficult than KJAX in the winter-
Whew those 65* landing next to all those 50' trees cut out out of the swamp. Man, how do any of us survive?
(Haha, pretty sure you meant KJAC :):):) )
;)

Well said my man-

We just had a few leave SWA for Delta
I have never understood pilots who don't see that as a positive for our group.
Seniority being what it is, when a pilot makes the choice to start completely over- it is a hell of a statement to management.

Guys like General who always felt the need to defend delta when pilots were leaving them for greener pastures as their management was going nuts, never had the right perspective like you do.
Hope your NetJets management gets their head out of their arse soon enough- by all accounts they are negotiating and running that op in the most ridiculous and short sighted way.
It's indefensible from a Berkshire Hathaway company. Seems counter culture to say the least. Very much hope things turn around soon.
 
I concur. And speaking of concur, I will never again spend my valuable time off every week submitting those crappy expense reports :)
 
Try Ocean Reef. Even with TEX Just trading mountains for hedge rows, golf carts and retiree's.

This mgt style IS part of the BRK culture.
 
SUN is not too difficult. Hardest part is not tearing your hair out when tower gives you a ten minute departure delay for a single inbound aircraft on a clear sunny day.
 
LOL, of course I meant KJAC...KTEX is a fun one too.

You're getting guys that have been to many tough spots, and that make them look quite easy. You're getting guys that will help out with whatever is needed, especially if you are at SWA and need a hand in back to make the turn.


All I can say is based on those I've seen leave already, you're getting the good apples, and not the bad ones. Congrats to you for stealing them away.
 
Is netjets on the verge of closure or something?

No, we're just in the middle of a contract battle with a know-nothing, union-busting lawyer who wants, in no particular order, to:

Freeze our current pay scale with NO COLA (15 year PIC makes ballpark $140,000 WITH overtime);

Force us to pay a "portion" of our health care costs (the company self insures and could pull whatever number they want out of a hat with zero transparency);

Prohibit our union from respecting the primary picket line of a fellow union;

Tie a portion of our compensation to a "profit-sharing" scheme that includes performance metrics so obtuse as to guarantee nobody EVER gets a nickel;

Reduce Sick Time/PTO accrual by half;

Severely weaken scope language;

Give the company unilateral ability to change a pilot's bid-awarded schedule from 7-7 to 18 day on their whim;

And a host of other QOL and compensation reductions far too numerous to list.

All in the face of consistent profit in excess of 20% Return on Invested Capital while demanding a 6% Return on Revenue (a number UNHEARD OF in the aviation industry).

For these and many other important reasons, any NetJets pilot with an ounce of sense and enough career runway to make up the first few years of pay cuts is applying, interviewing, and occasionally begging for a job with a major or national carrier.

Ever since our founder was shown the door by Warren Buffett, NetJets has been in a slow death spiral from a good career to a crappy job. We're doing our best to force some much needed change but the battle will be long and difficult.

You'll be lucky to have a former NetJets pilot in your cockpit. Chances are, they've been to more airports in the past year than most pilots see in a career and have dealt with more squirrelly passengers, approaches, and schedule changes in a week than you'll see in a year.

They'll be happy to be there, you'll be getting some great people, and, hopefully, our management will come to their senses and realize what an accelerating talent drain is REALLY costing the company.
 
No, we're just in the middle of a contract battle with a know-nothing, union-busting lawyer who wants, in no particular order, to:

Freeze our current pay scale with NO COLA (15 year PIC makes ballpark $140,000 WITH overtime);

Force us to pay a "portion" of our health care costs (the company self insures and could pull whatever number they want out of a hat with zero transparency);

Prohibit our union from respecting the primary picket line of a fellow union;

Tie a portion of our compensation to a "profit-sharing" scheme that includes performance metrics so obtuse as to guarantee nobody EVER gets a nickel;

Reduce Sick Time/PTO accrual by half;

Severely weaken scope language;

Give the company unilateral ability to change a pilot's bid-awarded schedule from 7-7 to 18 day on their whim;

And a host of other QOL and compensation reductions far too numerous to list.

All in the face of consistent profit in excess of 20% Return on Invested Capital while demanding a 6% Return on Revenue (a number UNHEARD OF in the aviation industry).

For these and many other important reasons, any NetJets pilot with an ounce of sense and enough career runway to make up the first few years of pay cuts is applying, interviewing, and occasionally begging for a job with a major or national carrier.

Ever since our founder was shown the door by Warren Buffett, NetJets has been in a slow death spiral from a good career to a crappy job. We're doing our best to force some much needed change but the battle will be long and difficult.

You'll be lucky to have a former NetJets pilot in your cockpit. Chances are, they've been to more airports in the past year than most pilots see in a career and have dealt with more squirrelly passengers, approaches, and schedule changes in a week than you'll see in a year.

They'll be happy to be there, you'll be getting some great people, and, hopefully, our management will come to their senses and realize what an accelerating talent drain is REALLY costing the company.

At least you and I and Diesel are still there. And we are awesome. :)
 
As a former Flexjet guy, I concur. Best of luck to you guys, and wish you the best at your newfound homes.

For what it's worth, many fractional guys mistakenly think that they are flying an airline schedule. ....Which is not the case at all....at best, it resembles an airline reserve schedule, which is nothing like flying an actual line.You guys should get paid more than major pilots, for dealing with the box of chocolates you are handed throughout the day.

While we're at it.... G4, you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are part of a union. When a strike is called, it's time to put on your big-boy pants and support your fellow pilots. If you choose not to, you will be a pariah for the rest of your career. Choose accordingly.
 
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