Watch out Jetblue--SONG has a store now?

[jettypeguy]

Originally posted by suen1843
This thread is about Song. I hope they succeed. I hope all the airlines succeed, I just have a problem with the way the airlines are cramming more and more people into the back.

This statement shows that maybe you just don't understand what’s going on with the airlines post 9/11. First, the days of the last-minute high-paying business passenger are gone (many airlines had these types modeled into their business plan i.e. continental,american,etc) now these biz pax didn't run to fly the global (maybe some) but most businesses cut their travel budgets all together,starting using LCC's, etc. This combined with a major post 9/11 decrease in regular pax, airliners had to take major action. Thus began the furloughs, flight cuts, etc. Then began the lowering of ticket prices to get people to fly again. Basically unless you are an LCC your business plan isn't very good for post 9/11. What works? low CASM's, low ticket prices, and many seats. Why does it work, people want low prices and are willing to sacrifice some things. 200 people on a 757-200 isn’t as bad as you think. Show a video, give em some food to eat (even if they buy), a couple drinks, get them there Safely and On-Time, and hey they'll do it again , they may complain but that's what us American's are great at, Complaining about everything. Cheap tickets is the key in competitive markets. And yeah people are driving more, driving to the "other" airport than the main hub of a major to get on an LCC for a cheap ticket. This is the "New" way to survive in the airline industry (that’s why everyone is doing it i.e. United "Ted", Song, American is thinking bout LCC, even southwest may change a few things in the business model). Now I'm like you I want the airlines to survive but you have to do what is necessary and what works. Song is proving that it works to put 200 people on a 757 because hey! People are buying tickets and flying them. and since your pax get to ride around in the "bling bling" machine I don't understand why the 200 pax 757 is a big deal to you anyway.

That's another reason they are sucking millions and millions away from the airlines every year...and increasing that as time goes on.

Nevermind this part of my old post, after rethinking about it I don't know enough in this area to make a true "factual" reply that isn't heavily opinionated.

 

[skydraulic]

It appears this thread has diverted from Jet Blew vs. Song to airline vs corporate? Anyways, I am trying to gather as much info to decide which flying career I would prefer. Can anyone give me some examples of average annual salaries of a DAL 767-300/ 777-200 captain vs. a GLEX/ G5 captain? As for myself, (trying to get a flying career started) I wish all aviation well in the future!

 

[Skank]

Calling us "Jet Blew" won't help you get a career started with us. But you just keep focused on that Delta Captain's pay. You'll be there before you know it.

 

[SpeedBird]

Let me finish for you Skank........NOT!!

 

[skydraulic]

Sorry Skank, just trying to throw some humor in there, no harm intended. How about Jet Blue vs Slong...sound better? What's the top out pay at Jet Blue anyways? I don't much about you guys. How many airplanes are in the fleet right now? Anymore on order besides the RJ's?

 

[Skank]

I'll admit to being touchy about our name (we've seen some pretty vulgar renditions here). I try to leave the name out of it when poking a little fun at someone. Of course, "Ted" will test the limits of my restraint.
BTW, our pay is nowhere near that of a Delta Captain, so I don't think you'd really care.