Wall Street airline selloff

[waveflyer]

Well, thanks for actually reading something, but if you're not going to address what I actually said, instead of going off on your personal talking points, then perhaps you should start a new thread.

-- I never said that "this administration is responsible for our debt."

I resent being forced to pay more taxes to repay the irresponsible and excessive spending by this administration, especially in the entitlements area. )

Never said that Obama was responsible "all by himself." But I suppose that by framing it that way, you get to make your ideological stand. We had a large and stupid debt already when he took office, but his administration DID triple it, and so far shows no sign of letting up. That was my point--he's not helping at all; he's making it far worse.
was Obama at fault for an economy that was heading toward an almost certain depression? You do know that the spending we did staved that off. And it did. The bailouts worked. I resent them, but they worked.
-- I also never said that it shouldn't be paid through citizens' taxes. Obviously it should and must. I was saying that this President's taxation policies aren't fair, who said life was "fair"? Are you a child? and what he's done won't make any difference, it's made a huge difference bc we have a steamrolling economy again and not digging out of a depression-since he spends more than even the increased taxation can bring in. I would be happy to help pay down our debt, if that's what increased taxes would actually do. We need to rein in our spending, because there's absolutely no level of taxation whatsoever that can cover this spending and buy down our debt. a- I don't believe you want to decrease spending. I think you want to decrease the spending YOU don't like. Guess what? So would everybody

-- And the other thing was the inherent unfairness in our tax scheme. The fact that half of our workers pay zero taxes (and some get rebates on top of not paying) is not fair. again with the kindergarten "fair"? Really? You're an adult? I wish everyone had my work ethic? I wish everyone felt a spiritual responsibility to our communities nation and world- I wish people did good and weren't prone to drugs or alcoholism- i wish my daughter could really have a unicorn for a best friend and sleep on a pot of gold near a rainbow. I wish a LOT of things for this world- the deal you've lived under your entire life has been that if you make more, you pay more- YOUR ENTIRE LIFE BUBBA-somehow that's not fair now that you're making a little bit of money?? Your taxes are free handed into our contract by market forces - don't pretend that you'd be making the same amount of money if you paid no taxes. We also do not make our money in a void- if productive people are paying little to no taxes, maybe they have a bit of money to spend on airline tickets? Maybe? Do you understand systemic economics- macro issues? It's especially galling when Democrats buy votes to stay in power by using my taxes to subsidize this, republicans don't BUY votes? Are you dumb or as ideologically mired as I've accused you of being? and then tell me that I'm not paying enough. It's easy to get someone to vote for you, when you promise to give them some of someone else's money.

-- Finally, with decreased deductions and higher marginal tax rates, plus added-on "surcharge" tax rates, and other increased taxes hidden in Obamacare, there's no way you can stay at the same effective tax rate without cheating. And if you HAVE stayed at the same effective tax rate, then you're cheating the government, and not doing "your part" to help, according to the President.
i pay exactly what I owe and still submit you need a new tax man-... Or make better choices with your money-
Anyway, how about addressing what I actually said, (was my quote good enough to prove you actually said it?)instead of just giving your soapbox speech again about why the Democrats are the best. the best, right now, OUT OF TWO. That's the problem with republicans- you don't see how you guys suck- democrats are more than familiar with the failings of our party- that's not newsYou might also address how the percentage of Americans receiving entitlements from the federal government has risen from 30% to 50% in the last twenty years, and is still climbing, and how you think that could possibly be sustainable.
I don't think it is- but you'd scream obama's a dictator if he did what this country actually needs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3BHujm3cpY
Or not.

Bubba

"Life's not FAIR!!!!"- Bubba

 

[maru657]

This administration did NOT triple the US debt. They inherited a runaway train, expedited by a wingnut impulse to, as a wingnut said "to spend the country so deeply into dept that they can get rid of all of the socialist programs, like social security, public schools etc". It will take 20 years to repair all of the damage. Things like rebuilding the VA hospital system and paying off these wars.

 

[SWA Bubba]

"Life's not FAIR!!!!"- Bubba

I tell you, Wave, arguing with you is like arguing with a third-grader: you bounce all over the place, picking and choosing places to make your ideological statements. Here's a short recap of literally how the argument has actually gone in this thread:

Ty Webb: "The President is making himself look as inept as Carter with his international policies."
Wave: "Yeah? Well you're an idiot because you're an airline pilot and don't vote for Democrats."
Bubba: "Huh? What's that got to do with anything? Besides a lot of airline pilots don't vote for Democrats because they don't do anymore for us than Republicans, plus they keep raising our taxes."
Bill Lumberg: "They're not really raising your tax rate; you just made more."
Bubba: "No, Bill, they actually raised my tax rates in numerous, tangible ways." <explains how>
Wave: "Well, I pay more than you, so you should shut up. Besides, you shouldn't resent paying more taxes, we need to pay off our debt."
Bubba: "What? I agree we should pay off our debt, but we need to stop spending so much first. And what I said was that I resent my taxes increasing just so that more others need not pay anything at all."
Wave: "Awww... Bubba doesn't like that it's not fair! Nanny-nanny-boo-boo!"

I'm going to go out on a limb here, Wave, and say that you were probably never on any kind of debate team when you were in school. Your habit of jumping around from subject to subject reminds me of a puppy, yapping and bouncing, chasing a laser pointer. It's exhausting.

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

It's my thread bubba
Try and keep up

 

[SWA Bubba]

"Life's not FAIR!!!!"- Bubba

And another thing...

Well, no sh1t, Wave; everyone knows life's not fair. However, it's the Democrats who tend to use this phrase, as in people like us aren't paying "their fair share" of taxes. "Fair" as in 'you people need to pay more, so that half the people don't have to pay anything.'

And while I realize that you don't read most of the posts that you reply to, I have to point out that you blindly missed this, since this seems to be a big theme in your rants against me or anyone else who isn't lock-step with the left: Despite your claims, I have always maintained that if you make more money, then you should pay more taxes. Obviously, that's true. I embrace that idea, Wave. Stop pretending that I don't. However, my problem is with the half that pay zero. Everyone who works should pay... something.

And it didn't used to be this way. There used to be a lot fewer workers who fell into this category, and a lot smaller percentage of Americans who were on the federal dole. And increasing these numbers every year to support the left's idea of "fairness," not to mention to garner votes, is not sustainable, and will eventually lead to the complete bankruptcy of this country. And you don't seem to realize or care about this.

What's the Democrat answer to all this?

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

This administration did NOT triple the US debt. They inherited a runaway train, expedited by a wingnut impulse to, as a wingnut said "to spend the country so deeply into dept that they can get rid of all of the socialist programs, like social security, public schools etc". It will take 20 years to repair all of the damage. Things like rebuilding the VA hospital system and paying off these wars.

Let's see... you're saying that everything bad that has happened in President Obama's six years is all Bush's fault. Hmmm... where have I heard that before?

Thanks, Maru--as usual, you're very helpful.

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

I never said "shut up" I said you shouldn't be paying more if you have a good tax man. Good lord man.

 

[SWA Bubba]

I never said "shut up" I said you shouldn't be paying more if you have a good tax man. Good lord man.

C'mon, Wave... we HAVE to pay more. Why, the President himself said so. If you don't pay more, then you're unpatriotic.

And also, what the hell? You posted a response just two minutes after I made mine. Do you live on this board? When do you have the time to make all this money you don't pay more taxes on? :0

Bubba

 

[sstearns2]

Two things... ISIS = CIA. These guys were trained at a NATO base in Jordan. Leading up to 9/11 there was a huge spike in put options on UAL and AMR. If all the airlines fall that is okay, if one or two diverge from the others then watch out.

Scott

 

[zasca]

I think Iran coming out backing a cooperative Iraqi government vs picking sides (overtly) is what calmed a possible bigger spike in oil and drop in airline stock. Yes Iraq has a lot of oil, but they don't really pump that much at the moment. Tensions flaring around the straight of Hormuz (Arab vs Persian vs US) would be a much bigger deal. We don't give a fudge about a refinery making gas for Baghdad being taken over.