Wall Street airline selloff

[SWA Bubba]

Yay, just what we need at southwest: more ideological- highly paid union workers of the extreme right wing type who will defend their socialistic seniority to the death, while having delusions of grandeur that they are the 1% everyone's mad at



It's comical during airline good times- very sad during financial distress when we actually need to support our unions the most

What in the world has this the first thing to do with what Ty Webb said about Obama being as inept as Carter? Uh..... I'm gonna' say not the first damn thing. They are completely unrelated. But, it's just another chance for you to push your ideological supposition that anyone who takes part in a union must be a loyal Democrat, or else they're stupid. Is that it? Do you really believe this?

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

No, it's not that simple bubba- there are dozens upon dozens of objective reasons to vote democrat- esp for job support

 

[SWA Bubba]

No, it's not that simple bubba- there are dozens upon dozens of objective reasons to vote democrat- esp for job support

"Objective"? Really?

Suppose you name a few of those "dozens and dozens" of reasons that are actually objective, instead of just your opinion (uh, that would make it "subjective"). If you're going to say that Democrats protect our jobs better, I'll say that I disagree. Not only do I disagree that it's objective, but I also disagree that any Democrat (especially this president) actually give a crap about airline pilots or their jobs.

BTW, the biggest threat to our jobs in recent years is this NAI threat of outsourcing, and that is being fought with bipartisan support. It is not just a "democrat thing."

And the only thing that I can think of that President Obama said concerning me in particular and my job since he's been in charge, is that I need to pay more taxes than I already did, and that he would see to it. And, by God, he did see to it. Now I pay considerably more taxes than I did before, thanks to Democrats. Not sure I call that "supporting" me. Do you think any Democrat would change anything in our airline world of bargaining between employees who make six figures and their managements? Is President Obama going to talk to Gary and get him off his "flattish" stance? Do you think any Democratic president would actually allow any major airline to strike if section six came down to it? You're living in an idealistic dream world if you do.

And like I said, this has jack crap to do with the President's ineptitude and what Ty Webb said. It wouldn't matter whether he was the best Democrat ever, or the worst Democrat ever. Regardless, I don't want or need his particular brand of "help."

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

Sounds like the arrogance of someone who's lived under the financial stability of SWA for most their career

Good luck bubba

Republicans do not support you- I've lived it

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

"Objective"? Really?

Suppose you name a few of those "dozens and dozens" of reasons that are actually objective, instead of just your opinion (uh, that would make it "subjective"). If you're going to say that Democrats protect our jobs better, I'll say that I disagree. Not only do I disagree that it's objective, but I also disagree that any Democrat (especially this president) actually give a crap about airline pilots or their jobs.

BTW, the biggest threat to our jobs in recent years is this NAI threat of outsourcing, and that is being fought with bipartisan support. It is not just a "democrat thing."

And the only thing that I can think of that President Obama said concerning me in particular and my job since he's been in charge, is that I need to pay more taxes than I already did, and that he would see to it. And, by God, he did see to it. Now I pay considerably more taxes than I did before, thanks to Democrats. Not sure I call that "supporting" me. Do you think any Democrat would change anything in our airline world of bargaining between employees who make six figures and their managements? Is President Obama going to talk to Gary and get him off his "flattish" stance? Do you think any Democratic president would actually allow any major airline to strike if section six came down to it? You're living in an idealistic dream world if you do.

And like I said, this has jack crap to do with the President's ineptitude and what Ty Webb said. It wouldn't matter whether he was the best Democrat ever, or the worst Democrat ever. Regardless, I don't want or need his particular brand of "help."

Bubba

Why did taxes go up? Because you make more money Bubba....the effective tax rate didn't change. Obamacare doesn't count either, you are on a cadillac plan. The only thing that has changed was Obama let the. Bush TEMPORARY payroll tax cuts expire...which was a good thing since Jorge and the Chaneman dug 'Merica a Military-Industrial complex deficit hole which needed to be repaid.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Why did taxes go up? Because you make more money Bubba....the effective tax rate didn't change. Obamacare doesn't count either, you are on a cadillac plan. The only thing that has changed was Obama let the. Bush TEMPORARY payroll tax cuts expire...which was a good thing since Jorge and the Chaneman dug 'Merica a Military-Industrial complex deficit hole which needed to be repaid.

Not true, Bill. Do you even look at your own taxes?

The payroll tax cuts you were speaking of were from FICA withholding, and separate from federal income tax. And actually, I believe they were a two-or three-year thing that President Obama did, not Bush. But regardless, I was speaking purely about federal income tax, not FICA or Medicare withholding. It has gone up in several meaningful ways, without additional earnings. And I don't know why you say Obamacare doesn't count--embedded in that massive legislation was a number of tax increases completely unrelated to health care. For example, interest income is now taxed at a rate 3.8% higher than ordinary income for your given marginal tax rate. They call it a "surcharge." Same with long-term capital gains: a 3.8% increase above the existing rate for your tax bracket. Plus there's more deductions that have been more limited or removed for people who make the money we do (essentially the same as last year). So yes, Bill, the effective tax rate HAS increased considerably. Seems like a real disincentive for anyone to save or invest.

The fact that I have a "Cadillac" health plan will affect me starting this year, as in more "imputed income" that I'll have to pay taxes on. That wasn't included in last year's due. That'll be even more tax on the same money next year.

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

I'll let bill answer the tax issue- bc I agree with him and don't need to be redundant- and I promise you I pay a hell of a lot more than you.
But let's look at the country's financial reality-Do you resent your taxes going up given the debt?
Do you think that debt will magically disappear without your taxes going up?

 

[SWA Bubba]

I'll let bill answer the tax issue- bc I agree with him and don't need to be redundant- and I promise you I pay a hell of a lot more than you.

Well, Bill was wrong about taxes (saying that effective tax rate is not going up when in fact, it has and is), so I'm not sure what else he wants to add. You keep telling me how much money your business makes, so that you pay more taxes than me. Okay,.... so what? I agree that if you make more, then you should pay more. But just because you don't have a problem with the Democrats' tax policies doesn't mean squat to those of us who do. Are you really saying that because you're happy with it, that everyone else should be?

But let's look at the country's financial reality-Do you resent your taxes going up given the debt?
Do you think that debt will magically disappear without your taxes going up?

You're mixing issues here, but yes, in general, I resent my taxes going up, given the debt. But that's mainly because of why the debt is going up. I resent being forced to pay more taxes to repay the irresponsible and excessive spending by this administration, especially in the entitlements area. Twenty-five years ago, less than 30% of Americans received entitlements from the federal government. Today, that number is over 49.1% and climbing. Why is that Wave? Could it be the left promises this money to secure votes? When will that end, and how long do you suppose that steady increase is sustainable?

And no, I don't think the debt will magically disappear, regardless of my tax burden. It will only disappear when the federal government stops promising and spending so friggin' much money. And no matter how much I and others are taxed, the debt will never disappear with the type of administration we have now. As they see more tax income, they invariably spend more. Never mind that they're still spending much more than they're taking in.

I also resent my tax burden increasing, while half of all working Americans pay exactly zero federal income tax, or even get money back from the IRS after paying nothing. Essentially, my taxes are increased to subsidize their lives, all in the name of garnering their votes for liberal politicians. If you really want to talk "fairness," then everybody should pay something.

And I'm not sure how it always happens, but once again you've turned a thread with an unrelated comment about the President's ability (or lack thereof, according to Ty Webb) into something completely different--a forum for your generalized left-wing talking points. You're always long on sound bites, but short on specifics.

Bubba

P.S. I realize you probably won't read all this, because you've already explained your short attention span, but I figured I'd give it a shot.

 

[wms]

A thread hijacking? On FI.com?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Uh-oh....SNAP....

Bubba used the word "entitlements"! The catch phrase of the False news channel around 8pm.

Social security is not an entitlement.
Corn subsidies to farmers...isn't that entitlements
Oil research subsidies to companies printing cash in the basement...is that an entitlement?
Defense spending for yesterday's war like another aircraft carrier....is that a Lockheed entitlement?

Welfare is a problem but not as bad as the Old fat white men want us to believe.